Diesel Engine Sales in California?

[Jan-78FJ40]

Sorry - updated my profile - SF Bay Area

How about you get your hands on a canadian BJ60 or HJ60-even a registered frame would be good enough. then plunk in the engine of your choice, from toyota HDT to cummins 4BT. It is already registered as diesel...

Of course Zimm will chime in and state that this is technically illegal, you are a bad person because you are breaking the law, your truck will get crushed on the spot, and you go to jail forever, and he is right.

 

[biomax]

Jon,

Great info thanks. The 6.2/6.5 is where I was already leaning. Are you sure the 94 TD didn't have a computer controlling anything. (i.e., I can put the engine in and don't have to plunk down anything else). I was leaning towards the 6.2 because it's more reliable than the 6.5. But, I've heard the 93-94 6.5's were the better years for reliability - so that 94 6.5TD may be the way to go.

Appreciate the info/help.

Thanks.

Robert

 

[ntsqd]

The marine and military HMMV 6.5t's have mechanically throttled IPs. Most (all?) of those put in passenger vehicles are throttle by wire. The reason was EGT control. When the engine starts getting hot the throttle computer starts pulling throttle out even if you're on the floor with the pedal. That little computer was put in a stupid place where it can overheat and then pop. If you search the various diesel engine forums this will pop up with various ways to cure it. The wire lead is long enough to move that $300 box out of the high heat zone.
The buzz phrase given to me was "Match the configuration", so with one of the mil/marine or '94 (?) IPs you could claim that it's a '94 6.5t configuration if everything else also matched the '94 configuration.

Reportedly the marine IP has a much more aggressive fuel curve too. Something to do with an infinite cool water source.

 

[Downey]

Last I heard a Landcruiser WAS considered a TRUCK, consequently could receive any truck engine (1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or bigger). Somebody school me if I'm wrong.

 

[ntsqd]

We might consider it a truck (appropriately so), but unless the DMV levies weight fees on it I don't think they consider it a truck. It's their definition that we have to work with. Neither my 3/4t nor my 1/2t Suburban was registered as a truck, both they and my '84 FJ60 show the "SW" (Station Wagon) code in the body type box.

 

[CruisinFJ60]

Not that I'm aware of. I've friend quite into them, & every one he's ever had was a 3/4t.
He bought one for a project a while back, 950 lbs on the pallet. Which means that it's probably OK weight-wise, but what about length-wise? I gotta think that the 4BT is an easier fit, which makes it the more common swap.

they did not put it in 1/2 ton trucks because the engine weighs over 1000 lbs with fluids and the 1/2 ton front axel is not up to it. the same reason why they don't offer it in the power wagon (would be awesome though). it is way heavier than the straight 6, and way way heavier than an ls1. I have a cummins and love it, best motor ever made....but prolly not practical for a 60, although it can and has been done. and the 4bt is great, but also a lot heavier, and a lot of vibration and loud....although i would do this swap next cruiser.

what are you talking about? the 6BT is a straight 6... unless im missing something you were talking about...

 

[ntsqd]

what are you talking about? the 6BT is a straight 6... unless im missing something you were talking about...

My friend bought a 6BT and had it shipped to him from NorCA. This was a complete, dressed engine. On the pallet the shipping weight was 950 lbs. Yes, it's a six cylinder, but I have it on good authority that the 2F is only about 100 lbs lighter than the shipped weight of the 6BT.

 

[ChuckB]

We might consider it a truck (appropriately so), but unless the DMV levies weight fees on it I don't think they consider it a truck. It's their definition that we have to work with. Neither my 3/4t nor my 1/2t Suburban was registered as a truck, both they and my '84 FJ60 show the "SW" (Station Wagon) code in the body type box.

I believe when I talked to CARB their phrase was "Land Cruiser = Light Duty".

 

[JuanGrande]

I am not completely confident on the model year - either 1993 or 1994. The route that I was going to go was a 6.2, add a turbo to (Banks still has a CARB certified turbo for the GM 6.2), and mount it up to an HF55. Not cheap by any means - probably in the $10-12k range. There were some threads about hairline cracks in the blocks in the diesel section that pretty much stopped this project for me. My 2f only has 58,000 original miles on it, so I decided to just leave well enough alone. The safest route would be to find a CA truck with an engine in it, buy the truck and do the swap. That way you can prove to CARB where it came from and what it came out of. Our trucks are classified as "light duty" by the DMV - under 6500lbs. So the engine needs to be from a light duty truck. Where I was unclear was whether the engine had to come from a light duty truck or not - what I mean is that the 6.2 and 6.5 came in 1500 series trucks and suburbans, but if my donor engine is from a 3500, does it matter if it is the correct engine and the same or later model year... this was a question that I never got a clear answer on. I know that there were differences in the intake manifolds, but I am not sure that this will matter during the SMOG Ref inspection.

Jon

 

[ntsqd]

The way my referee friend put it was that you had to "Match the configuration." Say that you wanted a smog legal 454 in there. There was only one 454 offering in an equivalent or later model light duty truck, the 454SS. So to be legal you would need to look up the exact set of emissions parts used on those trucks and have them all in place and functioning.

Presumably the same would be true of a diesel, still need to match the configuration. The least expensive way is to find such a donor, but you could piece it together from JY and dealer sourced parts.
Another friend's FIL built such a truck. He put a 454 in a 1/2t extended cab short bed Chevy truck. Since there were no viable donors at the time and even with my friend's dealership discount (GM line mech.) it was not a cheap project.