Diesel engine for 200 series in USA (1 Viewer)

[arbetrader]

Toyota sells the Land Cruiser in the USA because it is actually a much larger market than you might think. Sure its nowhere near Africa or Australia but the 200 sold about 6k in its best year, it is now down to about 2500-3000 units. That is HUGE compared to some other countries that are much smaller and have much less sales.

USA sells about 10k units of the LC/LX combined, Canada sells about 500-750 LX570 per year.

Also, the profit on one LC sale is huge, think about it this way. For every one Land Cruiser sale, how many Toyota Yaris models would you have to sell to equal the $75k on the LC? You have to pay labour, buy supplies, build, ship, distribute at least 5 Yaris models to equal $75k

One thing we need to keep in mind is that the Landcruiser buyer is significantly different than an escalade buyer, in my mind at least... This is just my idea, I could be wrong on that though because I did sell cars for 7 years in Canada, just not in USA where the landcruiser is available. Sequoia buyers did look at the lx, but obviously were turned off to price.

Here's some stats for 2008 (I used this year b/c 2009 stats were not available for all models)

Sequoia sales = 16387
Escalade sales = 39710, but 23947 were regular suvs
Landcruiser sales = 3801
LX570 sales = 7915

So, lexus sells over double the landcruiser. I still don't see why Toyota sells them under the landcruiser name...? They likely make more money on it as a Lexus anyway... There was almost $7500 profit in a sequoia in Canada in 2003 for the dealer (pre-lot pac) Not trying to start a flame war... Just an opinion based on what I see in terms or sales trends. I also hope I didn't hijack the thread, lol!

ps... I still love my truck, lol!

 

[pagemaster]

Sequoia buyers did look at the lx, but obviously were turned off to price.
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Well in Canada, the Land Cruiser would fit perfectly. The Sequoia tops at about $66k while the LX570 goes for around $95.

Does anybody else see at $80k Land Cruising selling?

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Landcruiser sales = 3801
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Historically the Land Cruiser/LX sells around 10-12k units per year. This dates back to 1990 or 1995 and today. Sales peaked in 1998-1999-2000 when they were selling 29k combined. That is before there was a Sequoia, GX, RX, Highlander, FJ etc.

LC/LX sales are doing fine.

I still don't see why Toyota sells them under the landcruiser name...? They likely make more money on it as a Lexus anyway... There was almost $7500 profit in a sequoia in Canada in

I can't believe that you can't see why they sell them. It is like the same reason why they sell the Denali/Escalade

Land Cruiser has a rich background that is deep than the LX for Lexus.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

My 80 was stock aside from 285's and a cdl button. I have a cdl button on my 100. No lockers vs No lockers... I don't know of a better comparison... I just came back from a trail I used to do all the time in my 80; the 100 did it fine, after my second try on a different line... also I was pushing it more. I did that in my 80 unlocked without even wheelspin. Please understand that my 100 has a limited slip (which proved to be relatively innefective for some reason. I think the 80 shone due to the solid axle and better flexing of its platform. I've seen this phenomena on hells crack in Moab too a few times on youtube. It seems that what the 80 does with ease, the 100 can do too; just with more pushing and shoving. I really not trying to argue that the 100 isn't capable offroad... It's just becoming quite obvious based on my own personal experiences. I don't know how better to put it. I wouldn't replace my 100 due to its size and much better rear seat room than my 80 for our family... Just wish I didn't have to push it as hard as my 80 to get the same result.

I don't know... Maybe I need to drive an 80 again to really jog my memory, but this is what I recall... In my 80, I was walking over stuff unlocked, that other trucks simply couldn't even do (unlocked too of course).

Gotcha. Thanks for the scoop! A better comparison though would be a 2000+ 100 compared to a triple-locked 80. I did some crazy stuff with my 80 buddies before I ever had lockers. I delayed them only once. Otherwise I was on their tales thanks to A-TRAC. Devil's Crack is cake. I barely lifted a rear wheel. If I had the L-shocks on that trip I'd a not even bounced that rear wheel. There's no pushing and shoving. It is interesting though...stock 80's and stock 100's articulate about the same. 563 and 580. The 80 has more front travel. The 100 more rear.

UPDATED 12/11/09: 2001 UZJ100 ("Roklimo") Videos - John Shotts (shottscruisers)'s Photos

 

[OGBeno]

Also, the profit on one LC sale is huge, think about it this way. For every one Land Cruiser sale, how many Toyota Yaris models would you have to sell to equal the $75k on the LC? You have to pay labour, buy supplies, build, ship, distribute at least 5 Yaris models to equal $75k

This is a very important point to consider on any vehicle that is high priced and low volume.

One of the main reasons Toyota still offers 2 versions of the Land Cruiser in the US.

 

[arbetrader]

Gotcha. Thanks for the scoop! A better comparison though would be a 2000+ 100 compared to a triple-locked 80. I did some crazy stuff with my 80 buddies before I ever had lockers. I delayed them only once. Otherwise I was on their tales thanks to A-TRAC. Devil's Crack is cake. I barely lifted a rear wheel. If I had the L-shocks on that trip I'd a not even bounced that rear wheel. There's no pushing and shoving. It is interesting though...stock 80's and stock 100's articulate about the same. 563 and 580. The 80 has more front travel. The 100 more rear.

UPDATED 12/11/09: 2001 UZJ100 ("Roklimo") Videos - John Shotts (shottscruisers)'s Photos

Yes, I saw your vid on youtube re: devils crack; that was your right? My truck would never do that. I guarantee it! Even with a small lift I doubt it... On the other hand, my 80 would have walked up it easily. Okay, maybe the trail I tried was a more testing trail on the front suspension than the rear; not really sure. All I know is without using the lockers my 80 ate it up, I had to try a different line in my 100 and that's WITH a limited slip... It felt like the front axle had an enormously greater range of movement than my 100, which is understandable given its suspension setup.

Good job on the crack with your 100 btw. I need ATRAC !!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It felt like the front axle had an enormously greater range of movement than my 100

Oh ya! An 80's got 3-more inches travel up front compared to a 100. (7.5 vs 10.5)

Then when you compare rear, let's go OME, the L-series 80's have 3-inches more wheel travel then the 100's OME. So 3 up front and 3 out back make for a HUGE advantage on the 80 in the flex department.

At least I have equalled up the rear travel of an 80's OME L setup and that makes a huge difference. For the front...poop!

Take a look at the latest 100 Picture Thread

 

[leenco12]

Not necessarily...the 5.7 petrol is a beast!

What are the HP and torque numbers for the diesel?

I'd love to see an overlay graph of the two engines dyno'ed.

The advantage of diesel for me is the ease of ability to enhance their performance. Pushing a cummings to 900HP is fairly easy -- all bolt on mods and an edge programmer.

Toyota has their ECU codes so locked down I don't foresee this happening. If I could take the 4.5L twin turbo diesel and boost its performance by increasing the boost pressure among other things with a simple Edge programmer (or the like), I'd be all over it.

Until then, though, petrol is good enough. Now all I want is an exhaust system to get this beastly engine back into the octave it should be!

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[pagemaster]

What are the HP and torque numbers for the diesel?

I'd love to see an overlay graph of the two engines dyno'ed.

The Toyota 4.5 diesel is 280hp/480tq
The Toyota 5.7 gasser is 381hp/401tq

Trust me when I say this, the 4.5 is no match in any way compared to the 5.7....the only place where the 4.5 has an advantage is MPG but that is a non-issue for owners with a $75k vehicle.

In EVERY single performance test (minus MPG), the 5.7 will come out on top of the 4.5

The advantage of diesel for me is the ease of ability to enhance their performance. Pushing a cummings to 900HP is fairly easy -- all bolt on mods and an edge programmer.

The 5.7 can be supercharged to 500hp if needed.

 

[Dougal]

What are the HP and torque numbers for the diesel?

I'd love to see an overlay graph of the two engines dyno'ed.

Not dyno'd, but here's an overlay of the claimed factory figures. I created it and posted it on page 7 of this thread.

 

[Pskhaat]

Trust me when I say this, the 4.5 is no match in any way compared to the 5.7....the only place where the 4.5 has an advantage is MPG but that is a non-issue for owners with a $75k vehicle.

Until...the 200 is 15 years old and I can finally afford one, yet spend the rest of my meager paycheck on fuel. Still no thoughts on resale?

 

[pagemaster]

Until...the 200 is 15 years old and I can finally afford one, yet spend the rest of my meager paycheck on fuel. Still no thoughts on resale?

I would rather have far superior performance for the life of the vehicle than to have somewhat or even excellent resale at the tail end of ownership.

I would want to enjoy everything, especially the outstanding performance and not worry about how much I am going to get on the back end on a $75k vehicle

 

[OGBeno]

The 5.7 can be supercharged to 500hp if needed.

This is incorrect. The Toyota supercharger is only for the Tundra. It will not work on the LC (or is not recommended by Toyota for the LC application).

 

[Pskhaat]

I would rather have far superior performance for the life of the vehicle than to have somewhat or even excellent resale at the tail end of ownership.

Wait, do you own a 200? More power to you if you can afford one and I am eager for career/investment advice if you can (seriously ).

However, the majority audience here will get these at 100k+ miles and less than 50% MSRP. It's too bad they're considered to be luxury and simply not price-tenable for the average American nor the average Mudder, despite the claimed perfect engine fit for the American market.

 

[xcel360]

Hey everyone. New guy here, quick question..

Will the new TLC200 4.5 TurboD run on all types of diesel fuel including high sulfur, say 5,000-10,000 ppm?

 

[97 40th]

This is incorrect. The Toyota supercharger is only for the Tundra. It will not work on the LC (or is not recommended by Toyota for the LC application).

Wonder why Toyota does not recommend it? That would make it the best cruiser ever made! 500hp! Isn't the Tundra motor and the LC motor the same?

 

[pagemaster]

Wonder why Toyota does not recommend it? That would make it the best cruiser ever made! 500hp! Isn't the Tundra motor and the LC motor the same?

The TRD supercharger will work on the Land Cruiser with no problems at all for the install. It will work!

Toyota has never said they did not recommend it, Toyota just does not offer it all from the factory or dealer installed.

Toyota does not offer because there is simply no market for it. There is barely a market for the Tundra TRD supercharged.

 

[OGBeno]

The TRD supercharger will work on the Land Cruiser with no problems at all for the install. It will work!

Toyota has never said they did not recommend it, Toyota just does not offer it all from the factory or dealer installed.

Toyota does not offer because there is simply no market for it. There is barely a market for the Tundra TRD supercharged.

What is the part number for the 200 Series LC supercharger? I surely want to know.

 

[Dougal]

Hey everyone. New guy here, quick question..

Will the new TLC200 4.5 TurboD run on all types of diesel fuel including high sulfur, say 5,000-10,000 ppm?

It will run, but you'll probably have to unclog the EGR system regularly, possibly other exhaust components too. high sulphur diesel creates more particulates which will clog things up far quicker than low sulphur diesel.

 

[pagemaster]

What is the part number for the 200 Series LC supercharger? I surely want to know.

It is not an offical Land Cruiser part. You have to use a Toyota Tundra part number and mod it yourself. You will need to fit it yourself to the Land Cruiser.

The Sequoia TRD option will work as well, but again you will need to mod it yourself to fit.

The dealer will not install it for you.

I hope this helps.

 

[OGBeno]

It is not an offical Land Cruiser part. You have to use a Toyota Tundra part number and mod it yourself. You will need to fit it yourself to the Land Cruiser.

The Sequoia TRD option will work as well, but again you will need to mod it yourself to fit.

The dealer will not install it for you.

I hope this helps.

My response was tongue-in-cheek. I know there is no part number for the LC SC because there is none available from Toyota.

You cannot make the Tundra or Sequoia SC work without significant investment of funds...including relocating the engine inside of the framerails or cutting a hole in the hood.

I would be very interested in any documentation saying someone has done this in an LC200. Hasn't been done as far as I know.