Diesel Conversion for 100 Series?

[gaylon]

"And to dispell the myth, diesel fuel is rarely less expensive than petrol in the UK or most of Europe AFAIK. At present they are the same price at around £0.98UK per litre or around $0.49US per litre or $1-85.5US per US gallon"

I think the math or the conversion factor is off here - £0.98 is almost USD$2.00 (Today the conversion is 1.96 dollars per pound). So a gallon in the UK is £3.71, which is USD$7.27.

No biggie, and no effect on his point, just caught my attention.

Gaylon

 

[hoser]

Source: International Energy Price Information

 

[hoser]

Ok, so even if the Diesel would bolt up (which it probably won't) to our automatic's over here. It is not a good idea to do it. Where does the drivetrain begin it's similarities? Center Diff? Maybe our gearing throughout is totally different?

All OZ spec 100's (gas and diesel) that use a 4sp auto use the A442F. I could only guess the A343F (what we have) would be physically adaptable to the 1HD-FTE but I'm not sure how one would deal with the transmission electronics. As for gearing, the TD equipped 100 uses 4.1 gears when mated to a 4 sp and 3.9 gears when mated to the 5 speed. The transmission ratios are the same whether gas or diesel.

More info in this thread about the possibility or impossibility of doing this swap.

 

[dclee]

I don't have a position on diesel vs gasoline, I just want to clarify this one point on "petroleum-independent and renewable fuels". With a fairly minor mod, Gasoline engines can also use E-85. Ok, we all know there's an MPG hit and there's also a freak-out of factor of, "oh my god, ethanol is going to explode my engine and eat my babies".... but that's also for the uninformed.

Good point, however, E85 (or any other blend) is not as readily available (the only places I know of in northern California where you can pump it are private facilities not open to the general public). Also, from what I remember ethanol is not as easy for Joe-hobbyist to manufacture in his garage on a Saturday night, both from a process and a raw materials point of view.

 

[dclee]

All OZ spec 100's (gas and diesel) that use a 4sp auto use the A442F. I could only guess the A343F (what we have) would be physically adaptable to the 1HD-FTE but I'm not sure how one would deal with the transmission electronics.

Concur. You need the famous bus tranny to do this swap. Get an old 80, a much better starting point.

 

[Travis351]

All OZ spec 100's (gas and diesel) that use a 4sp auto use the A442F. I could only guess the A343F (what we have) would be physically adaptable to the 1HD-FTE but I'm not sure how one would deal with the transmission electronics. As for gearing, the TD equipped 100 uses 4.1 gears when mated to a 4 sp and 3.9 gears when mated to the 5 speed. The transmission ratios are the same whether gas or diesel.

More info in this thread about the possibility or impossibility of doing this swap.

Thanks Hoser! I should have searched there to begin with. I like BrownBear's idea. Take good care of my 99 and plan a trip to Canada in 2013...problem solved. 5 years~20k/year. I won't even come close to 500k by then.

 

[jones]

Good point, however, E85 (or any other blend) is not as readily available (the only places I know of in northern California where you can pump it are private facilities not open to the general public).

Yep, not too many E-85 stations available outside of the midwest. However, they are on the uptick, even in California. We have one here and it's significantly cheaper (per gallon) than regular gasoline. But I've never calculated the 'true' cost after factoring in the loss of mileage.

Also, from what I remember ethanol is not as easy for Joe-hobbyist to manufacture in his garage on a Saturday night, both from a process and a raw materials point of view.

Oh, I'm sure a good portion of these mud members are distilling some sort of spirits in their basements, garages, etc.
And the best part is, you can drink the leftovers!

 

[offroadkid]

I don't have a position on diesel vs gasoline, I just want to clarify this one point on "petroleum-independent and renewable fuels". With a fairly minor mod, Gasoline engines can also use E-85. Ok, we all know there's an MPG hit and there's also a freak-out of factor of, "oh my god, ethanol is going to explode my engine and eat my babies".... but that's also for the uninformed.

I run B100 Biodiesel in the wife's Mercedes with no problem, and had wanted to try ethanol in our Cruiser, bur after going to the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website, I see that Toyota is not listed as one of the manufacturers as being ethanol compatible?

Do you know if it will work in the Cruiser with no problems? I would like to run it if poss.

 

[jones]

I run B100 Biodiesel in the wife's Mercedes with no problem, and had wanted to try ethanol in our Cruiser, bur after going to the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website, I see that Toyota is not listed as one of the manufacturers as being ethanol compatible?

Do you know if it will work in the Cruiser with no problems? I would like to run it if poss.

Ok, since you called me out on it, I'll back of my assertion a bit.
First of all, you are correct. No stock Toyota that I know of supports E85. What I was alluding to in my original post is that there are devices available to E85-enable your standard gasoline vehicle. They increase the rate of fuel flow (when using E85) to compensate for the lower energy density in Ethanol. So, for the most part, your engine runs the same or maybe with a slight degradation of power. I think, most of us would be willing to put with that.
The problem is that Ethanol is more corrosive that gasoline. Most of the freak-out factor is a hold-out from the 70's when much of the country was experimenting with Ethanol and it was causing all sorts of problems in people's cars. The reason was the materials, especially rubber/plastic could not stand up to the corrosive properties of Ethanol.
Conventional wisdom today is that modern materials that are standard in todays cars can easily withstand Ethanol corrosion. The problem is that, Toyota does not support it and therefore has not tested it.... and who wants to be the first to test it out on their Land Crui$er for 100K miles... me neither! Even though I *believe* that it would be fine. I always thought I would make that mod to my next vehicle if it wasn't flex-fuel... but that was before I plunked down 35K on an LC

 

[offroadkid]

Hey Jones!

I wasn't trying to "call you out", you didn't specifically say it works in Cruisers, I just thought you knew something I didnt!!

I think it would be cool to run my two vehicles on alternative fuels.

 

[jones]

Here's one of the kits I'm talking about.

E85 Conversion Kits Change2E85.com

And here's their excellent question/answer section on the subject. Of course it's important to note that it's written by the people selling the product. But I'll also say that what they are saying concurs with what I know on the subject. In other words, I think their speaking mostly the truth vs just sales propaganda.

E85 ETHANOL MYTHS

P.S. Sorry if it's too off-topic. If it's something people want to discuss, then I'll start a new one.

 

[dclee]

I've played around with the idea of converting our Saab to E85. It is actually built that way as a factory option in other countries and most home country (Swedish) sales are ethanol vehicles. The conversion is easy and the ECU tuning and some other minor mods involved can actually yield a higher power output (one example of an E85 conversion kit is from Nordic, a very well-respected tuner in Sweden, that bumps horsepower from 250 to 290 and torque from 273 to 320 foot pounds!).

The exciting thing is the ease of the conversion. In the case of the Saab, the kits include the re-flashed ECU, different fuel injectors, a different fuel regulator, and a cat-back exhaust system. Nothing extravagant, and cost is only about $1200!

One that that has held me back has been the unavailability of ethanol where I live. The other is the dicey EPA regs that may outlaw conversion kits except those Federally approved (of which there is only one that I know of, for some fleet Ford vehicle if I recall).

 

[jones]

The conversion is easy and the ECU tuning and some other minor mods involved can actually yield a higher power output (one example of an E85 conversion kit is from Nordic, a very well-respected tuner in Sweden, that bumps horsepower from 250 to 290 and torque from 273 to 320 foot pounds!).

Wow, now that's a cool conversion kit.
Good point on the EPA thing. Would be a bummer if you had to go get your emmissions checked and they wouldn't let you pass (even though it's cleaner!).
Apparently Toyota is making E-100 cars now for the Brazilian market. So those who are mechanically inclined and want to tinker, could potentially get some Toyota parts from there.

 

[Jim_Chow]

This thread is getting way off topic.

 

[BOGH]

Engine type

Diesel​

Engine capacity (cc)

4461​

Engine description

V8/DOHC/4V​

Forced induction system

Turbo​

Maximum Power

195kW @ 3400rpm​

Maximum Torque

650Nm @ 1600rpm​

(Note: Power and Torque test standards differ. Ensure comparisons use same test standard.)Configuration

V-formation​

Valvetrain

DOHC​

Fuel system

Direct injection​

- Fuel type

Diesel​

Intercooler

Air to air​

Fuel economy

ADR 81/01 Test standard​

- Combined (L/100km)

10.3​

(Note: Fuel economy varies with driving conditions/style, vehicle conditions, options and accessories.)

Specification for D4 D engine V8.

But not for N America. They don't want to bring Toyota & Nissan Diesels in N America because they are realy scared (Ford, GM, Chrysler) and the market gona crash if this thing is happen. The only one is Jeep Diesel but is a Mercedes Common Rail Diesel.

 

[AusCruiser]

My first cruiser arrives mid next month. Its a Turbo Diesel 4.2l 100series (2003) auto box. More than half the cruisers sold here are diesel because of the outback travel many aussies do. Diesel is/was the main fuel sold off the beaten track so most of travel in the red centre is done with diesels.

I cant wait to get the thing .... I have a toyota now (2005 tacoma in petrol)

The new 200 series V8 diesels just hit the showrooms here !! Nice bit of gear !

Trouble is the top of the range model with twin turbo V8 diesel is about $92,000 US dollars !!!

I acquired my 100 series diesel for $36,000 US dollars .... new here in 2003 it was $65,000 US dollars.

The turbo diesel cruiser motor gets about 50% better economy than the petrol 6cyl or the V8 petrol.

Listed as 168 hp and 280 ft lbs ... (approx) for the turbo 4.2l.

Regards
AusCruiser

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

E85 has already been proven to cost you MORE money.

Compared to unleaded, the gas mileage on E85 is down 20-33% depending on the vehicle. Heavier vehicles like SUV's suffer the most.

Also lost is performance. And the loss is noticeable.

So, like hybrids, what you pay extra for the vehicle setup and/or model, you lose every day you drive. Until an option comes along that actually SAVES me money and retains performance....I'll pay for the gas.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

And just for the record ... FAAAARK that's ugly

Ya, it's ugly until YOU own it.....then it's awesome looking!

 

[jones]

E85 has already been proven to cost you MORE money.

Compared to unleaded, the gas mileage on E85 is down 20-33% depending on the vehicle. Heavier vehicles like SUV's suffer the most.

Yeah... not really my point.. but you may be right for the most part. But last I checked (which was probably around a year ago), gas was $3/gal, E85 was $2/gal HERE (varies widely across the country depending on proximity to the source, etc)... i.e., 1/3 less. I don't care to hear all the 'but, but buts', because I know there are many. I'm just stating a simple observation.

 

[dclee]

Yeah... not really my point.. but you may be right for the most part. But last I checked (which was probably around a year ago), gas was $3/gal, E85 was $2/gal HERE (varies widely across the country depending on proximity to the source, etc)... i.e., 1/3 less. I don't care to hear all the 'but, but buts', because I know there are many. I'm just stating a simple observation.

Plus, and this may not matter to some (but making it no less valid), fuels like ethanol, B100, SVO, and WVO do not rely on foreign oil, or oil of any kind. For many, that is worth something.