Cyclical driveline noise, '03 LC

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Hi all,

I have been going through the archives trying to find an answer to a problem I am having, but so far nothing has helped. Our LC is an '03 with 205k miles and it is primarily my wife's daily driver. The fluids have all been regularly maintained with synthetics.

Symptoms:

The noise started this summer and progressively got worse. The noise starts at very slow speeds and does vary with speed. It is best described as a "wub-wub-wub" sound. It does not change with steering input that I can tell, and at first I thought it was coming from the front, but now I am not so certain.

Diagnosis to-date:

After a month long business trip my wife picked me up at the airport. That was when I first noticed the noise. It seemed to be coming from the front of the vehicle. The next day I went around each corner to see if anything was noticeable and rotated the tires.

Not long after, a vibration developed in the steering wheel. I rotated tires again to try and eliminate out of round tires, but that didn't help. At this time I noticed some lateral play in the front passenger side wheel bearing. As I had to leave again for a trip, we took it to a shop I trust to have the wheel bearing replaced. I picked it up from the shop, talked to the tech and all seemed well with the spindle, etc. However, when I drove it home the noise and vibration persisted. I checked the bearing for preload and it is in tolerance.

Next up I looked into the front CVs. There was play in the passenger side axle CV's. As this isn't too costly I replaced the front axle. Noise still there, vibration mostly gone.

Looking at some of the other posts where folks have had similar issues I went ahead and put fresh grease in the u-joints and slip yokes. No change in the noise.

As I've started to eliminate more of the front end, what should I look at in the rear end that could cause this?

I really appreciate any leads or guidance here...
 
Suggest you check drive shafts. (Toyota calls them "propeller shafts" IIRC.)
 
My '06 developed the "wub wub wub" at 100,000 miles. The vibration got worse over time... a short time. The vibration was there at all speeds, but would go away as soon as I'd lift off the throttle - an indicator it's drivetrain related.

The guys at ACC replaced both front axles and it's all better. Driveshafts (prop shafts) are still original.
 
Interesting that it does not change with speed. Wub-wub-wub is how I would describe a bearing needing service. Try this; find a steep long hill, while going down at speed that give the louds "Wub" put in neutral gear. If "wub" stops or not will give you a clue. Good hunting
 
Thank you all.

My '06 developed the "wub wub wub" at 100,000 miles. The vibration got worse over time... a short time. The vibration was there at all speeds, but would go away as soon as I'd lift off the throttle - an indicator it's drivetrain related.

The guys at ACC replaced both front axles and it's all better. Driveshafts (prop shafts) are still original.

I may order a new, driver side axle and try that. It's not a bad job, it's just somewhat time consuming.
Mine did something similar, it ended up being a bad output bearing in the transfer case. See if the output flange has any play in it.

Will check! One thing I forgot to mention (and just thought about... though I'm hesitant to blame). This winter my wife thought the center diff locking button was the "four-wheel drive button." She pressed it and drove it with mixed snowy and dry roads with the center diff locked for a day. Could this have exacerbated something?

Interesting that it does not change with speed. Wub-wub-wub is how I would describe a bearing needing service. Try this; find a steep long hill, while going down at speed that give the louds "Wub" put in neutral gear. If "wub" stops or not will give you a clue. Good hunting

I will try to find a steep hill to do the neutral gear test. I forgot to mention in my initial post that I tried shifting to neutral at speed to see if I could eliminate the transmission from the guessing. In neutral there was no change, but the road was relatively flat.

I also noticed something else: no noise in reverse. I tried backing up at a fairly high speed (10 mph or so, at a speed I know I hear the noise going forward), and it did not make the noise. Hmmm...
 
Just wanted to provide an update for posterity's sake. We needed an alignment and while in the shop we had them take a look. Their diagnosis: rear wheel bearing on the driver side.

Looks like I am going to learn more about the replacement procedure for the rear wheels now...
 
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