Cummins and Isuzu 80 series kits

[mr jits]

So... you sent him money, he failed to deliver for six weeks.
You send him money again, he ships, but sends an intercept so you don't receive the adapter? Or he's shipped and you've not sent payment to insure you receive your item and then he sends the intercept?
I'm not impressed with this situation. This is a local company to me, an one that I was excited to do some business with. Yet, this thread is turning into a "buyer beware" topic very quickly.

 

[AMMO]

I'm also very confused with this thread... I've read the 4btswaps thread also. It seems there is way too many posts in the threads and not enough direct communication between vendor and customer. Being in sales myself, this is not the place to communicate with your customer, pick up the phone, hash it out and follow through. Then share the experience on a public forum.

Jut seems to be way too many wires crossed in this whole process, as others have had positive feed back with this vendor. Seems expectations where not clearly defined and obviously not met.

I hope things will turn around and the two parties directly involved can get on the same page.

 

[busmup808]

I understand everybody's input in this situation, but one persons misfortune is not necessary ones other. The guy is truly taken the steps to NOT have this happen again.

I'm going to do business with him. When? When I get all I need to complete my swap!

I just think it's not cool bashing a person for a mistake he admitted and is trying to make right.

We all make mistakes!

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[itbrokeagain]

Stuff happens. I hope it all gets resolved and everyone is happy. I am interested in this also. After I order this kit what else do I need to source besides the engine. The way I understand it is I don't need a trans control for a 91

 

[busmup808]

Stuff happens. I hope it all gets resolved and everyone is happy. I am interested in this also. After I order this kit what else do I need to source besides the engine. The way I understand it is I don't need a trans control for a 91

I also have a 91 and this is what you need!

The FJ80 Isuzu kit is $1250

Have your converter overhauled with the stall speed changed to 1600-1700 RPM $250

Our Isuzu oil filter relocation block kit $40

A remote oil filter kit of your choice such as one for a PH8A filter around $60

If you were interested in purchasing premade mounts these would be around $200

Buy a Toyota wiring manual for your specific year around $40

Electric fan kit with thermostat (I like the slimline Derale) $210

3" exhaust with a chambered muffler works well and should be around $350 turbo to bumper for an 80 series at a decent muffler shop.

Budget $1000 for hoses, fasteners, filters, oil, tubes, clamps, gaskets, seals, spray paint.

If you want to splurge have the exhaust manifold and turbine housing ceramic coated black. This will run around $200 for both and probably won't make any performance difference, but keeps those two parts looking GREAT pretty much indefinitely.

I see about $3600 in parts there to completely finish your install. $1490 for parts we sell.

Thanks!

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[itbrokeagain]

This is so tempting and IMO seems so much cheaper and easier than a v8.

 

[Sohk2yota]

Honestly I want diesel but if u do the math with cost of diesel fuel vs gas your really the same cost at ur fill ups yes u may cut your fill up times but lets say you get 24 mpg with diesel now stock for me I got 15 with cost difference at 24 mpg it's same cost as having a truck that gets 16 mpg so for me ill wait till my motor blows

 

[AMMO]

Honestly I want diesel but if u do the math with cost of diesel fuel vs gas your really the same cost at ur fill ups yes u may cut your fill up times but lets say you get 24 mpg with diesel now stock for me I got 15 with cost difference at 24 mpg it's same cost as having a truck that gets 16 mpg so for me ill wait till my motor blows

Diesel swaps often never pencil out to make much $$$ sense... For me, last run across the scale I was 7,300 lbs and getting heavier. My last mission mpg was 10mpg... With a range of about.... 200 miles. To be able to double that range is a big push for some of us based on the intended use. Don't forget to add the cool factor also

 

[rockrod]

Diesel swaps often never pencil out to make much $$$ sense... For me, last run across the scale I was 7,300 lbs and getting heavier. My last mission mpg was 10mpg... With a range of about.... 200 miles. To be able to double that range is a big push for some of us based on the intended use. Don't forget to add the cool factor also

no engine swap works so that the fuel savings offsets the cost of the swap. it just not a good bet to make. increased performance - yes... but don't do a swap expecting to justify the cost by offsetting it with better mileage. It just won't happen.

 

[AppleTech]

no engine swap works so that the fuel savings offsets the cost of the swap. it just not a good bet to make. increased performance - yes... but don't do a swap expecting to justify the cost by offsetting it with better mileage. It just won't happen.

The one bit people don't factor in is longevity. If you plan on keeping your vehicle as long as possible, it really does make sense:

1. Run original gasser into the ground (or until it wears out).
2. Install properly rebuilt diesel.
3. Run for years upon years until body is damaged or rusts out.
4. Move drivetrain (with mechanical freshening) into another vehicle.
5. Repeat!

So the money you put into the diesel drivedrain is definitely not wasted as long as you use it for as long as they are designed to run and aren't overly hard on it with your power mods. There's a story of a guy in one of my dad's old trucker mags that went through three trucks over something like 30 years with the same International diesel tractor motor...

 

[floridan surfer]

X2 to what apple tech said. I've had my gasser LC for 12 years. Sure would have been happier if it were diesel.

I've had it with EFI and emissions crap. It's a constant fight with check engine codes with the age of these trucks. Then there is the head gasket issues.

As far as fuel mileage, lets not forget that these are multifuel engines. WVO, WMO, etc. I have a gallon and a half of used tranny fluid in the garage I need to filter, then I'm dumping it in the tank!

And if you can secure a steady source of WVO or one of the others from a mechanic, that's tits!

Pat

 

[Adam R]

So... you sent him money, he failed to deliver for six weeks.
You send him money again, he ships, but sends an intercept so you don't receive the adapter? Or he's shipped and you've not sent payment to insure you receive your item and then he sends the intercept?
I'm not impressed with this situation. This is a local company to me, an one that I was excited to do some business with. Yet, this thread is turning into a "buyer beware" topic very quickly.

It went like this. I ordered kit and sent him money, waited and ignored for 6 weeks, I post thread to get his attention because he's refusing to answer the phone and PM's I've sent, he refunds my money and within 24 hours ships the kit and demands I re-send the payment and that I take down the damaging threads. I tell him I will re-send money once the Paypal refund hits my account (3-5 days based on what Paypal told me). He then attacks credibilty of the customer, me, on the forum and decides to pull back parts that have been shipped. The parts are currently in Boise. We'll see if they arrive on/about Wednesday. If they do not, I have a strong case to pursue a Breach of Contract. Entirely preventable if the parts do arrive.

It's a mess for sure, but one that is entirely in Dustin's hands. He's had many opportunities to resovle this in a positive fashion, but he needs to learn that attacking the customer for his own mistakes is not a good idea.

 

[itbrokeagain]

I very much hope everything gets resolved. I also hope Dennis doesn't decide to quit coming around because of the issues or decide this isn't worth his trouble. This is a wonderful option and it sounds like with some better communication there will be great results. You get busier than expected. I get that. Communication would solve a lot but at the same time I'm horrible with communication too unfortunately so I see both sides

 

[Dini]

I very much hope everything gets resolved. I also hope Dennis doesn't decide to quit coming around because of the issues or decide this isn't worth his trouble. This is a wonderful option and it sounds like with some better communication there will be great results. You get busier than expected. I get that. Communication would solve a lot but at the same time I'm horrible with communication too unfortunately so I see both sides

Ok, now you lost me... Who is Dennis?

 

[itbrokeagain]

Ok, now you lost me... Who is Dennis?

Fail. Sorry about that.

 

[AMMO]

Ok, now you lost me... Who is Dennis?

He's the dude making the adapters.... 69Rambler. Who has since gone silent.... :-(

 

[Wheelingnoob]

I sent him a PM a few days ago and it sounds like he is going to be using a stocking distributor for the sales of his adapters possibly. Sent him a PM yesterday with some specific questions about the 4BD to A440 adapter and have yet to hear anything back. Sounds like he wants to continue making adapters just not dealing with the sales of them.....well see what adding another hand in the pot does for prices.

I was actually looking forward to stopping by his shop in the spring to check it all out and get an adapter (800mile round trip).

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

Adam, is everything resolved now? Did the starter make it? We had numerous requests including from Adam himself to close the thread. It got a little heated where after 69Rambler, who I view as a good and fair guy personally, shipped but after some back messaging direct between the two of them, 69Rambler got heated and temporarily intercepted the shipment. Yes, it was ugly.

I haven't read all of the posts or emails mostly because this is in the public domain, but there are so few Isuzu specific conversion parts out there, and this is such an awesome engine, that I want to support it as best as possible.

If anyone out there is considering doing the Isuzu swap, please contact 69 Rambler and I'm sure there will be no problems delivering the parts as promised in a reasonable amount of time. Again, we want as many people as possible doing these swaps so it becomes viable and doable for this great engine that doesn't need a whole lot of lift and is quieter than a 4BT with similar performance.

 

[Wheelingnoob]

Adam, is everything resolved now? Did the starter make it? We had numerous requests including from Adam himself to close the thread. It got a little heated where after 69Rambler, who I view as a good and fair guy personally, shipped but after some back messaging direct between the two of them, 69Rambler got heated and temporarily intercepted the shipment. Yes, it was ugly.

I haven't read all of the posts or emails mostly because this is in the public domain, but there are so few Isuzu specific conversion parts out there, and this is such an awesome engine, that I want to support it as best as possible.

If anyone out there is considering doing the Isuzu swap, please contact 69 Rambler and I'm sure there will be no problems delivering the parts as promised in a reasonable amount of time. Again, we want as many people as possible doing these swaps so it becomes viable and doable for this great engine that doesn't need a whole lot of lift and is quieter than a 4BT with similar performance.

Yes only thing to do now is move on. I am hopeful this continues and proves to be an awesome engine set-up. I have been doing nothing but research on the 4BD since this thread was started. It really sparked off the bug for me big time. So much so I have a A440F and t case on the way from LA for it. I want to run a full ECU'less drive train hence the A440 swap in place of my A343. Once I have the trans here I plan to re build it and install a low stall TC(HD lock up), Diesel Govoner and Extream VB. Getting this adapter is next on my list.

 

[Adam R]

Dustin and I are working on getting things sorted out. The parts I've received are of excellent quality. The starter should be re-directed soon and I should be getting some shorter mounting bolts for the flywheel since some engines have less thread depth in the crankshaft than others. Both of mine are '91's and the bolts begin to bottom out just before the flywheel is fully seated on the crank. Once I have the bolts, everything goes to the machine shop for balancing.Adam