Cnd 101 1/4 ton

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Picked up a CND 101 1/4 ton from the Suffield base in Alberta. Light surface rust and a couple of holes drilled in the floor to anchor something. Now to get it ready for backcountry camping next year.

Noob question:
-original 6.5-16 tires have sidewall cracking. What do you recommend? (Last thread I found was from 2010)

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Just curious - Did you get it through Crown Assets?
 
I put some used ones on 416 that had the same sidewall cracking about two years ago with no problems. You can still get new ones they do have heavier wall
 
Wired up the trailer with new lights. Took off the old Ibicus connection. If anyone wants it PM me. Hate throwing stuff away.

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Those milspec tires are well past their use by date. Low speed local work is the only thing I would trust them to. IIRC, none have been produced in years, so there's no doubt of their age. Just to keep you advised, since age is the enemy of all rubber meeting the road.

There are tires available that do fit the rims. Obviously can't go too wide or you have to do something about the fenders. I had custom ones built that bolt on in place of the originals.

Looks like a sweet trailer. I love ours.
 
Yup. Cleaned her up yesterday and tires need to go. But they are so cool....

Any ideas where I can get similar tires?

I was also toying with the idea of using the worn out tires of the LC. Two still have good tread but are also on the older side. Will they even mount on the stock rims?

So anxious to go camping. Went up to the Elk Lakes in BC today and found the perfect place. 2" of snow and ice on the lake.
 
Hmmm, the border may make the US dealers a bit problematic. Lucas and Coker (below) do come up in my searches when I put Canada in them, so may have this figured out for you.


Here's a good start:
http://www.cokertire.com/popular-tire-applications/vintage-military-tires.html

Look for the Military Tires button if they're not visible:
http://www.kelseytire.com/pages/antique&classictires.html

Some good details on differences between mil tires:
http://www.stausaonline.com/military/

More:
http://www.lucasclassictires.com/Military-Truck-Tires_c6.htm

So you've got options. There are some folks here on the forum who know way more than I do about mil tires. They actually work good for a trailer in many cases, although I'm certain we civilians have much better -- and safer all around -- tires for 'wheeling on our vehicles.
 
Sweet. Thanks. I live an hour from Eureka, MT. It's where all my Amazon packages go so it's a monthly trip. No taxes and they haven't stopped me at the border in months :-).

What tires are recommended if I go civilian?
 
I suspect the speed rating is connected to the rating on the Iltis, the original prime mover for these trailers. Mine has certainly been faster than that. So long as the tires are good and she pulls straight, no problem.

The OEM rims are listed at "5.50 x 16F – 5 bolt."

The tires are 6.50 R 16 XCL, 10 ply. I think it's the XCL pattern that's no longer produced in that size, which is why you won't find tires like those available on sale anywhere AFAIK. I think the 10 ply rating was more about dirability than about weight handling on a 1/4 ton trailer.

So you're a littlle stuck with older mil pattern tires if you want to stick with original 5.5" wide rims. Coker offers this one:
http://www.cokertire.com/popular-ti...tary-tires/750-16-firestone-military-ndt.html

or this:
http://www.cokertire.com/popular-ti...s-country/700-16-firestone-military-ndcc.html

Lucas does have a more traction oriented tread, although not sure there's much advantage to that on a trailer, other than looks.
http://www.lucasclassictires.com/16-650x16-LT-STA-Super-Traxion-tt-6PR-67640L.htm
 
greentruck said:
Those milspec tires are well past their use by date. Low speed local work is the only thing I would trust them to. IIRC, none have been produced in years, so there's no doubt of their age. Just to keep you advised, since age is the enemy of all rubber meeting the road.

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Might be right about the tires being out of production. Would explain why so many iltis were on xml's not xcl's.

I picked up a second set of wheels a few years back (needed a spare), so have two sets of xcl's with over 80% tread. Don't seem to wear at all. I'm not too worried about their age but no real cracks in mine yet.

TDavidson: you could fit 235 or 255/85/16 on the stock rims. The 235's should be very easy to find and fit the trailer.
 
BC40 said:
Might be right about the tires being out of production. Would explain why so many iltis were on xml's not xcl's.

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I'm not a Michelin expert, but I suspect that the Iltis was the smallest vehicle XCLs were ever applied to, along with the M101 CDNs they pulled. I would guess that when Canadian Forces quit ordering them for stock, that size went out of production as there was nothing else that small that came equipped with XCLs.
 
greentruck said:
I'm not a Michelin expert, but I suspect that the Iltis was the smallest vehicle XCLs were ever applied to, along with the M101 CDNs they pulled. I would guess that when Canadian Forces quit ordering them for stock, that size went out of production as there was nothing else that small that came equipped with XCLs.
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Yup. There is a letter from Michelin somewhere on the internet that confirms this. Came across it but of course can't find it now.
 
BC40 said:
Might be right about the tires being out of production. Would explain why so many iltis were on xml's not xcl's. I picked up a second set of wheels a few years back (needed a spare), so have two sets of xcl's with over 80% tread. Don't seem to wear at all. I'm not too worried about their age but no real cracks in mine yet. TDavidson: you could fit 235 or 255/85/16 on the stock rims. The 235's should be very easy to find and fit the trailer.
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Thanks!!! Reading the tire company sites I didn't think these would fit on the 5.5" wide rims. Opens up selection.
 
The 235 tires will likely fit. I'm not too sure about the 255/85R16 though. I run BFG KM2 tires on both the truck and the M101. The listed minimum rim width is 6.5", 1" wider than the stock M101 CDN rim.
 
greentruck said:
I'm not a Michelin expert, but I suspect that the Iltis was the smallest vehicle XCLs were ever applied to, along with the M101 CDNs they pulled. I would guess that when Canadian Forces quit ordering them for stock, that size went out of production as there was nothing else that small that came equipped with XCLs.
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I can believe it as all of the Canadian Armed Forces Standard Military Pattern wheeled vehicles use only Michelin tires.
 
Spring is coming and I want to get the trailer ready by repacking the bearings and could use some help double checking/sourcing the parts.

Here are the bearing numbers I found in the manual:

-Inner Cone: Timken Part Number L68149
-Inner Cup: listed as L6110 in manual but I'm guessing this is a typo and the inner cup is L68110
-Outer Cup and Cone: Timken Part Number L44640

Questions:
-Seal number is 523501 but I can't find it. Any ideas?

The other parts are common so I'm guessing the seal would be too.

Thanks
 
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