Club Vehicle inspection---conversation (1 Viewer)

[NCFJ]

Most of us are aware that ONSC will start doing vehicle inspections at Logan's Run this year. This is in accordance with our participation in TLCA. There have been questions in some of the related threads so I figured we could talk about all things related here in this thread.

This includes finding help on items you are working on to get your rig in compliance.

 

[OGBeno]

What if the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the truck Stan? Can we do a quick conversion in camp with Woodford Reserve as the "mental elixir"?

 

[elkaholic]

70s don't all come with the wheel on the wrong side ...

right back at ya

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Most of us are aware that ONSC will start doing vehicle inspections at Logan's Run this year. This is in accordance with our participation in TLCA. There have been questions in some of the related threads so I figured we could talk about all things related here in this thread.

This includes finding help on items you are working on to get your rig in compliance.

Johnny please post up the two inspection sheets you have posted, I cant find them

Did you look in the first post of the CCLR thread, or on the website?

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/logans-run-2015.859632/

http://onsc4x4.com/vehicle-inspection

This might be a good place to list items that will help people pass inspection, like where to buy recovery points for 80 series trucks, where to get an extinguisher, what kind of radio should we get, etc.

 

[NCFJ]

I can tell you that the hooks that came on an 80 fit both front and rear. I have a bunch of hooks with incorrect bolt hole centers for an 80, perhaps use one hole through a welded on plat with a new hole for the inner most hole.

I've not spoken with my fire extinguisher guy yet, I'll get in touch with you Sam

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Amazon has deals on fire extinguishers and radios. Check this out:

http://smile.amazon.com/Kidde-FA110...0extinguisher%20vehicle&qid=1432860970&sr=8-2

 

[elkaholic]

I can tell you that the hooks that came on an 80 fit both front and rear. I have a bunch of hooks with incorrect bolt hole centers for an 80, perhaps use one hole through a welded on plat with a new hole for the inner most hole.

I've not spoken with my fire extinguisher guy yet, I'll get in touch with you Sam

Thanks Stan. I do have a couple of vehicles to outfit ....

Amazon has deals on fire extinguishers and radios. Check this out:

http://smile.amazon.com/Kidde-FA110-Purpose-Extinguisher-1A10BC/dp/B00002ND64/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_2096965622?ie=UTF8&keywords=fire%20extinguisher%20vehicle&qid=1432860970&sr=8-2

That is not a bad price on that extinguisher ....

 

[R.K.]

The TLCA minimum vehicle requirement checklist is pretty thorough. I can understand the thoroughness for a vehicle to be driven on the road. But why would a trail rig need to be in compliance for items such as signal lights, current registration, etc.? I completely agree with the saftey and recovery checks, but it seems as if some of the requirements are overkill for a wheeling rig.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

The TLCA minimum vehicle requirement checklist is pretty thorough. I can understand the thoroughness for a vehicle to be driven on the road. But why would a trail rig need to be in compliance for items such as signal lights, current registration, etc.? I completely agree with the saftey and recovery checks, but it seems as if some of the requirements are overkill for a wheeling rig.

I believe that these requirements are set with western type wheeling in mind, where all wheeling rigs will have to be on a public road at some point to access the trails.

For example, at Uwharrie, we have to drive on public roads to get to the trail heads. A valid registration is required to be able to do that, so the inspection covers that item.

To the contrary, if we hosted the event at Rausch Creek, or Windrock, you could unload your wheeling rig at the park and never have to drive on a public road. At that point, the registration portion of the vehicle inspection would not apply.

Hope that clarifies!

 

[NCFJ]

What if the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the truck Stan? Can we do a quick conversion in camp with Woodford Reserve as the "mental elixir"?

No worries Onur, we'll have to order in advance and get a negative of this system. We can do it at the barn at the barn I submit that we should do as you prescribe and start at about 1:00AM.

 

[NCFJ]

I believe that these requirements are set with western type wheeling in mind, where all wheeling rigs will have to be on a public road at some point to access the trails.

For example, at Uwharrie, we have to drive on public roads to get to the trail heads. A valid registration is required to be able to do that, so the inspection covers that item.

To the contrary, if we hosted the event at Rausch Creek, or Windrock, you could unload your wheeling rig at the park and never have to drive on a public road. At that point, the registration portion of the vehicle inspection would not apply.

Hope that clarifies!

Johnny, you start off with "I believe". Knowing for sure here may be important. I am all for safe rigs on the trail and believe we as a club should have minimum standards. Kinda like the Coast Guard, they said my small boat needed 1 extinguisher, they did not fine me for having 2. I am assuming that we adopt the TLCA criteria because we are a member club. I also assume that this adoption has something to do with legalities and insurance or something along those lines.

That said, do we know for sure if a trail rig would be accepted by TLCA if trailered to the park and it did not pass inspection? I have been involved in RC flying clubs in the past and this is how the legal stuff worked with the club's liability insurance.

 

[krzyabncanuck]

Can i say / recommend a few things here.

I run across a lot of folks out there every weekend that are not comfortable with airing their tires down to 15. What we teach as a general rule of thumb is to start at 20psi and go down from there but go down to 20 psi minimum. Depending of the load range of the tire is to how much it will flex.

Also on recovery points. One both front and rear is great.

Not trying to cause a fuss, just putting out what we teach is acceptable.

 

[R.K.]

It's hard to stall a rig with a fair amount of torque with the brakes, especially with an automatic tranny. Most of my wheeling buddies are in buggies now, and I don't know that I've seen a buggy with a parking brake. I do have a 1/4 turn valve in my rear brake line to act as a line-lock, would that pass for a parking brake? And I never bring my spare tire due to not having space for it on the buggy, but always have it back at the tow rig. Is it a "must" to have a spare on the rig?

I barely passed the TLCA inspection at the GSMTR one year due to having no signal lights or parking brake. This was in a full bodied FJ40 trail rig with an SM465. I thought it was slightly ridiculous to ask a trail rig to have turn signals. We stopped registering for the GSMTR after that year, and just showed up to ride in the following years due to the hassle.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Johnny, you start off with "I believe". Knowing for sure here may be important.

Stan, let me clarify for you. In order to pass the inspection that we will be administering at Logan's Run, you will need to have a valid registration and valid insurance, period. The reason is that in order to get from Group Camp to the trail heads, you will need to drive on public roads, that require, by state law, all of the normal vehicle requirements, such as registration (inspection) and insurance.

"I believe" that the TLCA wrote these inspection guidelines assuming that you will always have to drive on a public road to get from the campsite to the trail head.

It's hard to stall a rig with a fair amount of torque with the brakes, especially with an automatic tranny. Most of my wheeling buddies are in buggies now, and I don't know that I've seen a buggy with a parking brake. I do have a 1/4 turn valve in my rear brake line to act as a line-lock, would that pass for a parking brake? And I never bring my spare tire due to not having space for it on the buggy, but always have it back at the tow rig. Is it a "must" to have a spare on the rig?

I barely passed the TLCA inspection at the GSMTR one year due to having no signal lights or parking brake. This was in a full bodied FJ40 trail rig with an SM465. I thought it was slightly ridiculous to ask a trail rig to have turn signals. We stopped registering for the GSMTR after that year, and just showed up to ride in the following years due to the hassle.

As was articulated in the other thread, automatic vehicles get a "pass" on the parking brake requirement as long as their "park" gear functions. Automatic vehicles will still need to pass the "service brake" test. It is always recommended (although not required for automatic vehicles) that you have a mechanical emergency brake should your hydraulic brake system fail.

As for the spare tire requirement, a spare tire is necessary to have at the event, but not necessarily on the vehicle on the trail.

 

[Gun Runner 5]

70s don't all come with the wheel on the wrong side ...

right back at ya

Just the real ones......

 

[NCFJ]

I get all that Johnny. What I want to know is if you know this information for sure. I makes no sense to me that they have set rules like this yet trailering a rig to a park is OK and certain points on the inspection are not valid. Might there be a separate inspection sheet somewhere for a trail rig? Once again I am sure there is some form of legality involved. I am not challenging what you said, just want to make sure it is being stated correctly.

We are to pass the inspection prior to the run or our vehicle is not permitted on the run as per TLCA rules. Why is my question. Insurance?

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Understood, just trying to say it in a way that leaves no room for interpretation

I makes no sense to me that they have set rules like this yet trailering a rig to a park is OK and certain points on the inspection are not valid.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Are you referring to the "Parking Brake" test outlined in the inspection sheet?

Might there be a separate inspection sheet somewhere for a trail rig?

No, same inspection sheet is the same for everyone attending the event.

We are to pass the inspection prior to the run or our vehicle is not permitted on the run as per TLCA rules. Why is my question. Insurance?

Three reasons:
1. Safety of drivers, spotters and spectators
2. Protect the trail system (Tread Lightly)
3. Insurance/liability

This year, CCLR is not a registered TLCA Open event, so we do not have event insurance. However, we are a TLCA sanctioned club and are looking at registering CCLR as a TLCA Open event for future events.

 

[R.K.]

So, would you really turn a rig away that didn't have functioning turn signals??

 

[NCFJ]

OK now we are on the same page, almost. I am all on board with the trail safety and not polluting with our self lubrication systems. INSURANCE & LIABILITY there ya go.

Johnny you stated that a trail rig does not have to pass the lights, signals etc at a park like Raushe etc. I get that, no public roads etc. There have to be TLCA sanctioned events that occur at parks, so what inspection form do they use for a trail rig in that situation to adhere to the INSURANCE & LIABILITY aspect of their organization.


Personally, I feel that the TLCA rules are minimal, as I mentioned, akin to Coast Guard regulations. The registration, insurance, lights and signals are more about not giving law enforcement a reason to interact with us in a negative manner while on road, in my view.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

So, would you really turn a rig away that didn't have functioning turn signals??

If that was the only thing amiss between the two pages of the inspection form, no. Turn signals are on the "evaluated items" list, not the "minimum requirements" list.

OK now we are on the same page, almost. I am all on board with the trail safety and not polluting with our self lubrication systems. INSURANCE & LIABILITY there ya go.

Johnny you stated that a trail rig does not have to pass the lights, signals etc at a park like Raushe etc. I get that, no public roads etc. There have to be TLCA sanctioned events that occur at parks, so what inspection form do they use for a trail rig in that situation to adhere to the INSURANCE & LIABILITY aspect of their organization

The TLCA uses this form for all sanctioned events. You can find it on the TLCA website here. Our only modification was that we added a radio to our amended "evaluated items" list, because we felt that a radio should be included.

http://tlca.org/vehicle-inspection-requirements/