Chevy/Toyota Clutch

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It would be nice if someone can reference a table showing how much a given clutch must be compressed to fully disengage. I think this might be called the clutch “throw”. I suspect a “low profile” clutch requires less “throw”, but it might mean that the overall height is less. If the latter is the case, a “low profile” clutch might not work any different than what we have been using. Rather, it would just affect the length of our slave cylinder rod, and the starting point of where the clutch will begin to compress. Without knowing the “throw” of our clutch and how much travel our hydraulic clutch release system will provide, we can never be certain that our system will work satisfactorily.

Like many of you, I have been battling clutch adjustment problems for the past 18 years. It’s been livable, but not ideal. The clutch has now worn enough that a replacement is needed. But how do I buy a clutch that will work better?

For our given combination of (a) master cylinder, (b) slave cylinder, and (c) clutch fork we are able to compress the clutch only so much. For example, I have a 1976 Toyota master cylinder and slave cylinder and a Chevy cast iron clutch fork. I can only guess what clutch is installed and that is on the basis of having a part number from the previous owner. My combination can compress the clutch 0.541 in.

· Throw for my particular clutch: 0.540” (Note: I found this number on the internet somewhere??)

· Slave cylinder travel: 1.125” (Note: I measured this on my specific slave cylinder rod.)

· Clutch fork ratio: 2.08 (Note: I found this ratio somewhere on the internet.)

· Therefore, the clutch can move only 1.125”/2.08 = 0.541” (Note: Explains why my clutch adjustment has always been so tricky.)

We need to know the “throw” for any clutch we are considering and then compare that with the amount of travel we are able to achieve with our hydraulic system.

As for me, my solution might be to use the same clutch and go to an older Toyota master cylinder with a larger bore so that I can move the slave cylinder rod further. I would prefer finding a clutch requiring less “throw”.

So…. does anyone have access to a table or chart showing the “throw” for various clutches? It would be helpful to all of us with Chevy conversions.

Thanks in advance.
 
We build Chevota clutches that require less travel for disengagement, but what I'm now going to do is re-research this issue anew for you. I will determine leverage/travel from slave push rod to shift fork pivot ball, and leverage/travel from pivot ball to center of the T.O. bearing. I will then get the math from Clutch Masters on travel for full disengagement of our Chevota clutches so that I can put this into good math for you.
 
· Therefore, the clutch can move only 1.125”/2.08 = 0.541” (Note: Explains why my clutch adjustment has always been so tricky.)

You also have to take any slop in the pivot ball and at the release bearing collar interaction with the clutch fork. That will eat up some movement and some of your math depending on how worn the pivot ball is. I am going through this right now.
 
We build Chevota clutches that require less travel for disengagement, but what I'm now going to do is re-research this issue anew for you. I will determine leverage/travel from slave push rod to shift fork pivot ball, and leverage/travel from pivot ball to center of the T.O. bearing. I will then get the math from Clutch Masters on travel for full disengagement of our Chevota clutches so that I can put this into good math for you.
I'm looking forward to what you can find for us, Downey.

Appreciate you doing this.
 
Atazman, using your math above, which is close enough considering everything could be rounded off a few decimals, yes your Toyota slave cylinder would only produce about 1/2" of travel (or less) at the T.O. bearing considering the shift fork pivot point/leveraging, yes a stock Chevy low cone diaphragm pressure plate takes roughly 1/2" of T.O. bearing travel to release, and my Downey CHEVOTA CLUTCH requires only 3/8" of T.O. bearing travel to release. It might be possible for a guy to use a stock Chevy clutch (or Luk), but they would need all of the many variables and wear factors to fall in their favor- - -than at best would have a very touchy clutch adjustment, which would normally require constant re-adjustment as variables change..
 
Atazman, using your math above, which is close enough considering everything could be rounded off a few decimals, yes your Toyota slave cylinder would only produce about 1/2" of travel (or less) at the T.O. bearing considering the shift fork pivot point/leveraging, yes a stock Chevy low cone diaphragm pressure plate takes roughly 1/2" of T.O. bearing travel to release, and my Downey CHEVOTA CLUTCH requires only 3/8" of T.O. bearing travel to release. It might be possible for a guy to use a stock Chevy clutch (or Luk), but they would need all of the many variables and wear factors to fall in their favor- - -than at best would have a very touchy clutch adjustment, which would normally require constant re-adjustment as variables change..

Good info!! Thanks for your contribution. I'm sending you a PM.
 
I ended up using the AA bellhousing and low profile 11" centerforce clutch they recommended. Its a Chevy flywheel, low profile clutch and pressure plate, Chevy TO, Toyota pivot ball, collar and clutch fork. I used a master and hydraulic hose from JT outfitters and the slave cylinder is from Napa. I had to make my own slave rode that is almost all threads but I seam to have plenty of throw.

If using a Centerforce clutch I recommend removing the weights...I had one over travel and brake then had to pull the whole thing apart to remove them. Centerforce does not recommend removing the weights but said you only lose about 10% clamp load at most and only at high RPM.

If you would like I can get all the exact part numbers I used for my Chevota clutch when I get home from work later.
 
I ended up using the AA bellhousing and low profile 11" centerforce clutch they recommended. Its a Chevy flywheel, low profile clutch and pressure plate, Chevy TO, Toyota pivot ball, collar and clutch fork. I used a master and hydraulic hose from JT outfitters and the slave cylinder is from Napa. I had to make my own slave rode that is almost all threads but I seam to have plenty of throw.

If using a Centerforce clutch I recommend removing the weights...I had one over travel and brake then had to pull the whole thing apart to remove them. Centerforce does not recommend removing the weights but said you only lose about 10% clamp load at most and only at high RPM.

If you would like I can get all the exact part numbers I used for my Chevota clutch when I get home from work later.

Thank you for offering to get me part numbers. I removed the flywheel cover today and inspected what I have. It's definitely a 3-finger, 12" clutch. I will be going back with something similar, so ....thank you..... there will be no need to look up part numbers.
 
I've always thought the weights on the Centerforce clutch are no more than a marketing gimmick. Problem is they start with a standard duty pressure plate, then add weights that increase clamp load as the rpm increases, not off-the-line. I've always thought you needed maximum clamping load off-the-line to get the tires spinning without heating up the clutch???
 
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I've always thought the weights on the Centerforce clutch are no more than a marketing gimmick. Problem is they start with a standard duty pressure plate, then add weights that increase clamp load as the rpm increases, not off-the-line. I've always thought you needed maximum clamping load off-the-line to get the tires spinning without heating up the clutch???

Yea the weights are B.S. CenterForce this is what happened to mine at 7400 miles...

They are replacing for about 65% off cost though so not all bad, and I'll be removing the weights on install.

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Is there a reference for the T.O. bearing travel for the stock clutches? That would also be helpful. I have a swapped hydraulic system (old stock brake master and swapped NPR truck slave cylinder) and I'm not sure if I'm getting enough throw.
 
I understand that the stock Landcruiser slave produces about .500" of travel at the T.O. bearing on Chevota conversions, but that is using a Chevy bellhousing (or aftermarket adapter bellhousing) with GM shift fork and GM shift fork pivot ball. I've not tested the T.O. bearing travel with a stock Landcruiser bellhousing/shift fork/pivot ball. I do know that my Downey Chevota clutch takes about .375" of travel to disengage clutch, and there is one particular Luk clutch that evidently takes about .470" inch of travel to disengage. All of this math (6 cal. or V8) goes out the window with worn or damaged slave cylinder/shift fork/pivot ball/T.O. bearing/pressure plate- - -many variables that could even keep the Luk clutch from fully disengaging the pressure plate.
 

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