Camber on Rear Axle?

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savirc

savirc

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Hello everyone,

New to the forums, long time Land Cruiser 100 series fan finally got my wish few weeks ago and bought a low millage 01 (64k miles).

I bought it knowing it was in minor fender bender and was fixed very well. I've been slowly fixing small items with the help of the forum (roof rack leak, antenna replacement, A/C floor leak, etc.) just things that seemed to have worn out from age not abuse.

Two days ago however I noticed that the left rear tire had some wear on the inside edge on otherwise brand new michellins. After further inspection I measured the distance between inside of the tire wall and the frame on the left tire and compared it to the right side and came up almost an inch difference.

In other words the driver side rear tire is 1" closer to the frame (measuring from the top) compared to the the passenger side rear tire.

I inspected everything with extreme prejudice and did not find any signs anything bent. The LC looks brand new from the bottom pretty much.

I know solid axles don't usually have camber adjustment and I don't think this is any different, at this point I'm clueless.

Could this be the bearings causing the tire to be at an angle? what else could cause this? I checked the obvious (tire pressure/load on truck)

Any help is appreciated.
 
Sounds more like the rear diff has shifted on the springs (due to the fender bender) or worse, it's bent.
 
thanks Mike I didn't even think about the springs as I recall now the spring did look a little funny on the left side as for the axle bent I can't see any evidence of bending scratching or any thing that looks harmed. The fender bender was very minor not near axle. Maybe jumped a curve? At any rate maybe jacking the cruiser up let the axle hang might give me more info. has anyone ever had a bent axle on the 100 series I cant imagine a small fender bender bending this axle.
 
I have an '08 Silverado 2500HD. I hit a curb (reaching for the phone I dropped, duh) with the front and rear tires. There is a pin in the leaf spring that goes into hole in the pad on the axle and that was sheared. Easy fix
 
I sure hope it's something that easy on this one but these have coil springs no leaf springs maybe it just dislodged the coil out of its socket
 
I forgot about the coil springs. Let us know what you find
 
Ok so I took a closer look late last night with a flashlight in my garage and took some bad pictures but I think you can see well where the issue is.

Here is an illustration I made:

https://app.box.com/s/7vc1ia8bob4w88wzbn82c35u9j6iiq3b


Pics:

https://app.box.com/s/zqkmww8oc2a6p8uryvwt5xf11dn9xjne
https://app.box.com/s/ynupeh370h2yfiob1b9hcp0r5tegefl7


I was also wondering if anyone could tell me if this bar should have a bend? Mine did and I want to mark that off as not being the issue, if anyone could check form me I would appreciate it.

https://app.box.com/s/tg4zd7zn3eslcxifulmniizbafyxdynr


I also did additional measures and noted that the driver side shock is 3/4" more pushed in than the passenger and another thing is the rear axle painted black from factory? I want to make sure this axle is the original maybe it was replaced?

here is additional pictures please let me know if you see anything out of the ordinary

https://app.box.com/s/5gkz7cfxjy9385snz4shsd04m83ireuo
https://app.box.com/s/t3kqhgron08nv2ursj2i12as3pv5yczd
https://app.box.com/s/of7h3qubrjbc6yqpnkfi99oc7kn896qh
https://app.box.com/s/7v69yaqh530zqzksyfcrld809282prih
https://app.box.com/s/2ktr0vzc39ascwk6p290kczleuip14ka


Thanks all,
 
I meant to have the images in bedded here you go:

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If you want to see it in more detail you can click the links above the previous post. Thanks for your help.
 
The panhard bar should not have a bend in it. That would cause the axle to shift over.

The axle would have taken a pretty hard hit to bend that bar, so that might not be your only problem.
 
40Habits said:
The panhard bar should not have a bend in it. That would cause the axle to shift over.

The axle would have taken a pretty hard hit to bend that bar, so that might not be your only problem.
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Ok so I can start looking at that. It almost looks like like the cruiser was strapped down by the bar, the bend is directly downward right at the center
 
can anyone tell me the purpose of the panhard bar? could I remove it and leave it off to see if the axle straightens?
 
savirc said:
can anyone tell me the purpose of the panhard bar? could I remove it and leave it off to see if the axle straightens?
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The panhard bar keeps the axle from moving laterally. The axle will not straighten out on it's own with it removed. The bar itself needs to be straight in order for the geometry of the suspension to be right.

Any shop with a press could help you out.
 
Thanks Habits,

I plan on doing a 2" lift in the future do you suggest I go ahead and look for an adjustable one? or just go with oem? Will I need a press to remove or install it? or are you saying using a shop to bend it back in shape?
 
Typically the bar is not replaced with a 2" lift but if you need a new one anyway it might be worth it. Two bolts and a couple taps with a hammer and it will pop right out. A shop with a press could straighten it out or you could buy a cheap Harbor Freight press and do it yourself.

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/suspension_pieces_arms.htm
 
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FYI: With a 5-link set up (4+panhard) the centering (or lack of) of the rear axle system relative to the frame is related to the position of the panhard bar relative to horizontal. As you increase the distance between the axle and the frame ("suspension fit") the rear axle center line will move off center. You can compensate for this with a longer/adjustable panhard bar but it's all relative to suspension lift height.

This also explains, especially on lifted 5-link suspension set-ups, the funky rear side slinky effect one feels when rolling over speed bumps...
 
spressomon said:
FYI: With a 5-link set up (4+panhard) the centering (or lack of) of the rear axle system relative to the frame is related to the position of the panhard bar relative to horizontal. As you increase the distance between the axle and the frame ("suspension fit") the rear axle center line will move off center. You can compensate for this with a longer/adjustable panhard bar but it's all relative to suspension lift height.

This also explains, especially on lifted 5-link suspension set-ups, the funky rear side slinky effect one feels when rolling over speed bumps...
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Makes sense, coming from a Jeep XJ with leaf springs that was one of the biggest things i noticed on the LC ride great way to describe it by the way "slinky" effect, feels like the truck pulls from side to side on a horizontal bump threw me off.
 
I guess my other questions is could the shift of the axle cause my negative camber wear on the tire? seems like the axle shift wouldn't tilt the wheel inwards or could it?
 
Have you inspected the upper and lower control arms for: Straightness and bushing wear?

After that, and either straightening or replacing the bent panhard rod, I would get the truck to a competent alignment (more than likely not one of the $99 align for life shops...or a higher end body shop would be able to check frame alignment too) shop and they will be able to tell you the source of the misalignment.
 
Thanks Spressomon & Habit. I'll start with taking the panhard out and going from there. I'll post updates.
 
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