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I can tell you there is a company near South San Francisco that sells/moves A LOT of JDM vehicles. And if you click on "other Ads for CL seller," they currently have over 10 other listings. The photos are local.
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Haha yessir! @la.cruiser is us! Thanks a lot.I recognize that truck from IG haha, great looking 80. As far as registration goes nothing has changed. You could get lucky but most likely not.
From what I gathered the worst that can happen is big fines or you'd be forced to sell potentially. If I remember right your plate blends in pretty well. I bet a thicker license plate frame and everyone would just assume it's a CA plate anywayHaha yessir! @la.cruiser is us! Thanks a lot.
yeah that seems to be the consensus... am I just being unreasonably nervous about the Montana LLC situation? I know it’s legal and legit... I just can’t stand the idea of ever losing my baby
I dig that idea.... time to hunt some more land cruiser branded stuff to throw on the outside hahaFrom what I gathered the worst that can happen is big fines or you'd be forced to sell potentially. If I remember right your plate blends in pretty well. I bet a thicker license plate frame and everyone would just assume it's a CA plate anyway
Just make sure there isn't some CHP rule that would bite you later. Wouldn't want to solve one problem with another problemI dig that idea.... time to hunt some more land cruiser branded stuff to throw on the outside haha
Sometimes thats just Cali livingJust make sure there isn't some CHP rule that would bite you later. Wouldn't want to solve one problem with another problem
It's a love-hate relationship for sure, when it comes to vehicles I want to buy definitely more of a hateSometimes thats just Cali living
Oof. I figured a non-California title was all that would matter.If I remember and understand the nomenclature correctly, in the second instance it would be considered a Direct Import, whereas in the first it would not.
If it was that easy, this thread wouldn't exist and we'd all be circling around singing kum ba ya with Gavin NewsomOof. I figured a non-California title was all that would matter.
If it was that easy, this thread wouldn't exist and we'd all be circling around singing kum ba ya with Gavin Newsom
Pretty much, and that shop in Santa Ana won't even do diesels anymore according to the DMV site.Hahah! Well I didn't mean that is all that would matter, but in the context of having the vehicle being a direct import vs. having been out of state, I figured the title would be the only significant piece. I fully understand that outside of paying that shop in southern California to do who knows what, you basically just have to hope to get lucky.
It’s the price they pay for that beautiful weather.Pretty much, and that shop in Santa Ana won't even do diesels anymore according to the DMV site.
California: stay for the Beaches and Mountains, leave because literally everything else
Pretty much, and that shop in Santa Ana won't even do diesels anymore according to the DMV site.
California: stay for the Beaches and Mountains, leave because literally everything else
If you're determined to get CA plates you can do it. Know the laws, be your own advocate, know what the DMV wants to see on that paperwork, and what they would see on that paperwork if it was any old out of state diesel. Work with a VIN verifier, don't let DMV or CHP inspect the vehicle because they get tripped up on the WRONG things and will get you bogged down in their anxiety over the fact that it's not a Camry. Most importantly do not give the DMV any money until they're giving you plates on the spot. If they hassle you, take notes on what they're hassling you about, say "thank you very much, but I'm going to look into this a little more" and walk away to try again at another DMV, hopefully with updated paperwork. You are going to be sailing in some grey waters and you need to be comfortable with that.
I'll get a little soap boxy here: I am exhausted and the BS and conflicting laws and statements that punish collectors and enthusiasts while letting big industry off the hook for doing the actual damage but I do believe in the concept of emissions testing and vehicle safety. I have a diesel so that I get acceptable fuel economy to daily drive, I run B99, small percentages of WVO and propel biodiesel to practice what I preach. I hope some of you CA residents do the same.
It sounds like you went through the process in 2014. The DMV/CARB have since closed the out-of-state loophole and they won't care if you title/reg in another state for 6 months, a year, or a decade prior to bringing your rig into CA. They consider any non-USDM vehicle a Direct Import, regardless of prior registration history. I managed to skate by this by the skin of my teeth in 2017, and it took 18 months.What is throwing me off with your registration is saying that you went to a VIN verification service. I'm super happy and glad you were able to pull it off! When I registered my HJ61 in 2014 I was forced to go to the CHP in Santa Ana and have an officer do the VIN verification without option. This should be the case for everyone trying to register a JDM. Verification from a third-party verifier service "VIN verifier" was and is not a legal option for Japanese, or any imported vehicle. This is because vehicles missing a Federal Cerification Label (Safety Label) are not supposed to legally be verified by third-party verification services and are supposed to be referred to the CHP by default. Additionally, vehicles with less than a 17-digit VIN are automatically supposed to be referred to the CHP for verification by default. JDM imports are lacking both a safety label and have a less-than 17-digit VIN. This information is per some fine print on the REG 31 - Verification of Vehicle form that every DMV in California will use and require. This fine print in the form used by VIN verifiers explains it:
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I was able to get a title before the HJ61 had even arrived in California by filling out REG 343 - Application for Title or Registration. I hada title and registration from Missouri which made registration in California possible. After I got a title they gave me a hanger in my back window to drive it around for about 2 months which was nice and fun. However, I could not register it (get plates for it) until it was on California soil as I had to get a VIN verification. If I remember correctly, what made them take note of the need for a VIN verification was the fact it was an out-of-state (nonresident) vehicle. All nonresident vehicles in California get a VIN verification and it's usually a breeze because they have 17-digit VINS and smog gear, EPA labels, and smog paperwork.
When it arrived in California (from Missouri) I went back to the DMV for the VIN verification. This involved me pulling into a station at the Fullerton DMV so an employee could do a VIN inspection. When he could not find the VIN or Safety Label ...he checked some marks on a REG 31 - Verification of Vehicle form that forced me to be referred to the CHP. The DMV VIN verifier was just doing his job. The VIN verification form is crucial in the nonresident vehicle registration and is what will trip everyone up who tries to register an imported vehicle in California. Regardless if it has been registered out-of-state or not first...the fact it is missing a 17 digit VIN will always refer you to the CHP who may or may not sign off on it depending on the officers familiarity with emissions law. Registering it out-of-state gives you a nonresident title, and more importantly, out of state registration/plates to transfer. Without those, you have a "direct import" which is IMMENSELY difficult and costly to register in California. As many here know and have found out the hard way.
Since I did this in 2014, California has set in place a mandate that requires you to show proof for direct imports to show "Evidence that the vehicle meets Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and California emissions standards.". However, I did not have a direct import per se as it had been titled and registered in Missouri for about 6 months prior to my ownership. Additionally, nonresident pre-1997 diesels are smog exempt in California. This is what allows one to rightfully register their Japanese imported diesel in California. The fact it is both a nonresident vehicle AND smog exempt under definition of California law allows it to be registered in California.
In my case the officer at the CHP was a bit of a motorhead, we got along, and he signed off on the VIN verification. I pointed out to the officer that I did not need a smog certificate since it was a pre-97 (it was pre-98 then) diesel. Which as I pointed out is crucial in the registration process. He was actually familiar with the out-of-state vs. direct import thing and seemed to be down with it because he liked my car. The officer checked my import docs from Land Cruisers Direct/Steve Jackson (who was great), looked for matching VINs on the body, engine, and the under-the-hood label - and I was on my way back to the Fullerton DMV with a signed-off Verification of Vehicle form. I received my registration about a month later and happily owned that HJ61 for about 3 and a half years. Boy was I nervous as I opened that letter from the DMV though!
If I were to try this now in 2021 I would:
1) make sure my car was considered an out-of-state vehicle by having it titled AND registered out of state for about 6 months before bringing it into California. You could do this without ever leaving California by having it registered through a title service and registered to an address in that same state. Texas and South Dakota for example, seems to allow vehicle registration to PO boxes from what I can gather. There are also title services in South Dakota and Texas. So win-win for you.
2) Make sure that it was a pre-97 diesel so I wouldn't have to submit smog paperwork. Remind the DMV employees and CHP officers that smog is not required for such vehicles if you have to. I would inform the officer that it is not a direct import as it had been registered in another state if needed. If required I would use the precedent that many of the grey-market diesel (and gasoline) Mercedes have been registered in California for years. And in my observance, many of the 80's grey market Mercedes have short (14 digit) VINS much like our Japanese imports, a major yet only difference being those have safety labels attached to the door with a (seemingly assigned) VIN, EPA, and in some cases CARB smog paperwork which was handled by the then-popular and established grey market importers of the 80's who were bringing those into the USA and California in droves which helps the case of registering those immensely.
3) Know the difference between titling and registering, the difference between direct imports vs. nonresident vehicles, know your DMV forms and fine print, know your rights, and don't back down to the grumpies at the DMV. A good attitude, manners, respect, and courtesy will get you far when at the DMV and dealing with CHP officers especially.
It still seems possible in 2021 to register out-of-state diesel in California according to this information compiled off of DMV VIN verification forms and title transfer documents, as well as the information on the DMV website about direct imports. Basically, I would never try to transfer in a gasoline-powered import into California because those are not smog exempt unless they are 1975 or older. I would never try to transfer a diesel into California that was newer than 1997. I would never try to directly import a diesel or gasoline powered import into California and expect to register it with plates in California unless I was willing to shill out the $10,000+ dollars to the sketchy conformance lab that seems like a racket anyways.
I hope my experience with importing a '88 HJ61 into California and this writing helps someone save themselves money and registration headaches. And to hopefully help them set DMV and CHP employees straight if need be. Have fun and enjoy your vehicles.
Here is some info on what the State of California is mandating for direct imports:
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BTW: the software on this forum is great, blessings to it for saving drafts as I accidentally clicked out 3/4 the way through typing all this