hoser
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I can tell you there is a company near South San Francisco that sells/moves A LOT of JDM vehicles. And if you click on "other Ads for CL seller," they currently have over 10 other listings. The photos are local.
California Title and Registration of Diesels (4 Viewers)
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I have been in contact with them and they wrote:
"We import these vans. ... CA registration may require emissions conformance even though pre 97 diesels are smog exempt. It is expensive to do. All other states don’t require this as these vehicles are federally epa emissions exempt. "
"No, these cannot be registered in CA."
They told me they send these to other states. I wrote asking them if they have ever had any of these JDM registered in Calif or if they know if any of them have returned to CA and been registered here after being registered in another state.
Waiting to hear back.
"We import these vans. ... CA registration may require emissions conformance even though pre 97 diesels are smog exempt. It is expensive to do. All other states don’t require this as these vehicles are federally epa emissions exempt. "
"No, these cannot be registered in CA."
They told me they send these to other states. I wrote asking them if they have ever had any of these JDM registered in Calif or if they know if any of them have returned to CA and been registered here after being registered in another state.
Waiting to hear back.
I have a 1993 HDJ80. i bought it o a year ago with a clean Montana title. Then I drove it to California where I live and went the Montana LLC route... it is still registered through the LLC but I have been wanting to look into getting a California title just to have piece of mind.
any experience in this? What do I need? Is this even possible these days?
thanks in advance!
any experience in this? What do I need? Is this even possible these days?
thanks in advance!
I recognize that truck from IG haha, great looking 80. As far as registration goes nothing has changed. You could get lucky but most likely not.
Haha yessir! @la.cruiser is us! Thanks a lot.
yeah that seems to be the consensus... am I just being unreasonably nervous about the Montana LLC situation? I know it’s legal and legit... I just can’t stand the idea of ever losing my baby
From what I gathered the worst that can happen is big fines or you'd be forced to sell potentially. If I remember right your plate blends in pretty well. I bet a thicker license plate frame and everyone would just assume it's a CA plate anywayHaha yessir! @la.cruiser is us! Thanks a lot.
yeah that seems to be the consensus... am I just being unreasonably nervous about the Montana LLC situation? I know it’s legal and legit... I just can’t stand the idea of ever losing my baby
I dig that idea.... time to hunt some more land cruiser branded stuff to throw on the outside haha
Just make sure there isn't some CHP rule that would bite you later. Wouldn't want to solve one problem with another problem
Sometimes thats just Cali living
It's a love-hate relationship for sure, when it comes to vehicles I want to buy definitely more of a hateSometimes thats just Cali living
Is there any difference between the truck having been titled and registered in another state first, vs just titled in another state?
tlaporte
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If I remember and understand the nomenclature correctly, in the second instance it would be considered a Direct Import, whereas in the first it would not.
If it was that easy, this thread wouldn't exist and we'd all be circling around singing kum ba ya with Gavin NewsomOof. I figured a non-California title was all that would matter.
Hahah! Well I didn't mean that is all that would matter, but in the context of having the vehicle being a direct import vs. having been out of state, I figured the title would be the only significant piece. I fully understand that outside of paying that shop in southern California to do who knows what, you basically just have to hope to get lucky.
Pretty much, and that shop in Santa Ana won't even do diesels anymore according to the DMV site.
California: stay for the Beaches and Mountains, leave because literally everything else
It’s the price they pay for that beautiful weather.
To clarify, the CA DMV website has said that for a while, but a truck was made CARB compliant by CEE long after that was published. Govt rarely knows what it’s doing.
THE INFORMATION IN THIS POST IS OUTDATED AND HAS BEEN LEFT ONLY TO SHOW HOW THE IMPORT LOOPHOLE WORKED IN THE OLD DAYS. CA NOW CONSIDERS ALL IMPORTED VEHICLES DIRECT IMPORTS REGARDLESS IF THEY WERE REGISTERED IN ANOTHER STATE FIRST OR NOT.
What is throwing me off with your registration is saying that you went to a VIN verification service. I'm super happy and glad you were able to pull it off! When I registered my HJ61 in 2014 I was forced to go to the CHP in Santa Ana and have an officer do the VIN verification without option. This should be the case for everyone trying to register a JDM. Verification from a third-party verifier service "VIN verifier" was and is not a legal option for Japanese, or any imported vehicle. This is because vehicles missing a Federal Cerification Label (Safety Label) are not supposed to legally be verified by third-party verification services and are supposed to be referred to the CHP by default. Additionally, vehicles with less than a 17-digit VIN are automatically supposed to be referred to the CHP for verification by default. JDM imports are lacking both a safety label and have a less-than 17-digit VIN. This information is per some fine print on the REG 31 - Verification of Vehicle form that every DMV in California will use and require. This fine print in the form used by VIN verifiers explains it:
I was able to get a title before the HJ61 had even arrived in California by filling out REG 343 - Application for Title or Registration. I hada title and registration from Missouri which made registration in California possible. After I got a title they gave me a hanger in my back window to drive it around for about 2 months which was nice and fun. However, I could not register it (get plates for it) until it was on California soil as I had to get a VIN verification. If I remember correctly, what made them take note of the need for a VIN verification was the fact it was an out-of-state (nonresident) vehicle. All nonresident vehicles in California get a VIN verification and it's usually a breeze because they have 17-digit VINS and smog gear, EPA labels, and smog paperwork.
When it arrived in California (from Missouri) I went back to the DMV for the VIN verification. This involved me pulling into a station at the Fullerton DMV so an employee could do a VIN inspection. When he could not find the VIN or Safety Label ...he checked some marks on a REG 31 - Verification of Vehicle form that forced me to be referred to the CHP. The DMV VIN verifier was just doing his job. The VIN verification form is crucial in the nonresident vehicle registration and is what will trip everyone up who tries to register an imported vehicle in California. Regardless if it has been registered out-of-state or not first...the fact it is missing a 17 digit VIN will always refer you to the CHP who may or may not sign off on it depending on the officers familiarity with emissions law. Registering it out-of-state gives you a nonresident title, and more importantly, out of state registration/plates to transfer. Without those, you have a "direct import" which is IMMENSELY difficult and costly to register in California. As many here know and have found out the hard way.
Since I did this in 2014, California has set in place a mandate that requires you to show proof for direct imports to show "Evidence that the vehicle meets Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and California emissions standards.". However, I did not have a direct import per se as it had been titled and registered in Missouri for about 6 months prior to my ownership. Additionally, nonresident pre-1997 diesels are smog exempt in California. This is what allows one to rightfully register their Japanese imported diesel in California. The fact it is both a nonresident vehicle AND smog exempt under definition of California law allows it to be registered in California.
In my case the officer at the CHP was a bit of a motorhead, we got along, and he signed off on the VIN verification. I pointed out to the officer that I did not need a smog certificate since it was a pre-97 (it was pre-98 then) diesel. Which as I pointed out is crucial in the registration process. He was actually familiar with the out-of-state vs. direct import thing and seemed to be down with it because he liked my car. The officer checked my import docs from Land Cruisers Direct/Steve Jackson (who was great), looked for matching VINs on the body, engine, and the under-the-hood label - and I was on my way back to the Fullerton DMV with a signed-off Verification of Vehicle form. I received my registration about a month later and happily owned that HJ61 for about 3 and a half years. Boy was I nervous as I opened that letter from the DMV though!
If I were to try this now in 2021 I would:
1) make sure my car was considered an out-of-state vehicle by having it titled AND registered out of state for about 6 months before bringing it into California. You could do this without ever leaving California by having it registered through a title service and registered to an address in that same state. Texas and South Dakota for example, seems to allow vehicle registration to PO boxes from what I can gather. There are also title services in South Dakota and Texas. So win-win for you.
2) Make sure that it was a pre-97 diesel so I wouldn't have to submit smog paperwork. Remind the DMV employees and CHP officers that smog is not required for such vehicles if you have to. I would inform the officer that it is not a direct import as it had been registered in another state if needed. If required I would use the precedent that many of the grey-market diesel (and gasoline) Mercedes have been registered in California for years. And in my observance, many of the 80's grey market Mercedes have short (14 digit) VINS much like our Japanese imports, a major yet only difference being those have safety labels attached to the door with a (seemingly assigned) VIN, EPA, and in some cases CARB smog paperwork which was handled by the then-popular and established grey market importers of the 80's who were bringing those into the USA and California in droves which helps the case of registering those immensely.
3) Know the difference between titling and registering, the difference between direct imports vs. nonresident vehicles, know your DMV forms and fine print, know your rights, and don't back down to the grumpies at the DMV. A good attitude, manners, respect, and courtesy will get you far when at the DMV and dealing with CHP officers especially.
It still seems possible in 2021 to register out-of-state diesel in California according to this information compiled off of DMV VIN verification forms and title transfer documents, as well as the information on the DMV website about direct imports. Basically, I would never try to transfer in a gasoline-powered import into California because those are not smog exempt unless they are 1975 or older. I would never try to transfer a diesel into California that was newer than 1997. I would never try to directly import a diesel or gasoline powered import into California and expect to register it with plates in California unless I was willing to shill out the $10,000+ dollars to the sketchy conformance lab that seems like a racket anyways.
I hope my experience with importing a '88 HJ61 into California and this writing helps someone save themselves money and registration headaches. And to hopefully help them set DMV and CHP employees straight if need be. Have fun and enjoy your vehicles.
Here is some info on what the State of California is mandating for direct imports:
BTW: the software on this forum is great, blessings to it for saving drafts as I accidentally clicked out 3/4 the way through typing all this!
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It sounds like you went through the process in 2014. The DMV/CARB have since closed the out-of-state loophole and they won't care if you title/reg in another state for 6 months, a year, or a decade prior to bringing your rig into CA. They consider any non-USDM vehicle a Direct Import, regardless of prior registration history. I managed to skate by this by the skin of my teeth in 2017, and it took 18 months.
I would strongly encourage anyone who wants to bring a JDM diesel truck into CA to just talk to someone knowledgeable at CARB (they exist, just takes some time to find them) to confirm the process. Based on a pretty intense back and forth with them (again, took 18 months) the process they follow now involves a mandatory visit to CEE in Santa Ana and a bunch of money, no exceptions.
