Buying a JDM diesel 4x4 vs buying 'local'

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If you've been considering buying an imported Japanese market (JDM) diesel 4x4, I recently did a calculation to see if it's worth it (quantitatively speaking, of course).

What I found out is that I'd have to drive and own the JDM import for about 17 years to offset the higher price of buying the diesel (all things being equal).

Just wondering if anyone else has come to a similar conclusion (for those of you in markets where JDMs are available):

Buying a used Japanese (JDM) 4x4: Is it worth the price?
 
since i am in the repair business as well as the importing business i feel i can give an unbiased answer to your question.
now since you are posting this on a LC forum i am going to assume you are buying a LC...(otherwise you would be posting on the appropriate forum, no?)
first off your link is based soley on fuel economy, not repairs. a 200K vehicle will need more repairs sooner than the 80K vehicle if both have been looked after. it is a falacy that a JDM will cost more to repair than a Domestic of the same model. if the unit never was introduced to the Canadian market then, duh, it will cost more.
to compare repairs of a diesel to a gasser is comparing apples to oranges. the diesel will go further before needing repairs (usually) but in the end cost more to repair. gas also fluctuates more than diesel so the cost of filling the tank can vary week to week if not day to day.
in most cases the RHD unit that had a sister version sold in Canada will have parts that interchange EXCEPT the actual RHD specific parts.

now down to the nitty gritty...
take a normal 20 year CND old land cruiser and it will have on average 400K on it and will already be in need of some repairs, brakes clutch, tires, springs, exhaust, etc etc. oh, and a body and maybe a frame.
now a low km unit from Japan that is in decent shape to begin with will get roughly 200K of reliable use before needing $$$$ spent on it. (if you get a neglected JDM or a roll-back then all bets are off) use your head when shopping, price is not the best judge to go by.

now you need to compare apples to apples so no gasser vs diesel here.
with the diesel you must still compare apples to apples, not just CND vs JDM. if you take a HJ60 and a HJ61 (for example, you can also use the BJ70 and the BJ71). what do you get for your investment?
if you shop well you can get a HJ61 for roughly $12K-$18K these days.
this will include the factory cable lockers, factory trubo, factory winch, factory SR, PW, AC, PDL, upgraded interior and a direct injected engine. AND low milage.
compare this with the CDM HJ60.
you can get these anywhere from $5K to $15K. sounds good eh?
now we have to compare apples to apples:
add a trubo $4500 (of course you can do a junkyard turbo for a few hundred)
add AC $2000 (if you can find it)
add $4500-$6000 for locekrs (or lock-rite for $500 per end)
add $2200 for a winch (or a junker winch for less and of course add the cost of a proper bumper)
SR, PW, PDL, AC etc too expensive to even consider.
AND usually in the range of 400K to 600K so the engine is ready to be rebuilt at $1000/hole
AND the frame will usually need rebuilding or replacing
AND the body will need work
AND the interior is usually less than clean.

Now add to the factoring resale value down the road. you drive the JDM for 100K or 150K and you will still get some money back, drive the CDM for the same and your resale will suck.
unless you find a Yank that is in desperate need for a diesel.

to take this to the next level the whole idea of the JDM importing when it all started was to find vehicles that we didn't have over here, not flood the market with junk cars from Japan. so the oportuinity to own a 73,74, 77, 81 series vehicle was a reality.

in the end if you are making a decision based on fuel mileage or a tight wallet then go buy domestic, there are some great deals right now.
 
Well written Wayne. When I brought my HDJ81 over I didn't do it solely because the diesel got better milage. I did it because I wanted a quality low milage vehicle, that didn't really compare to what is available domestically. I spent probably twice what I could have gotten a gasser 80 for, but because I got what I really wanted, it was totally worth it. Resale isn't really a factor either, because I bought the truck to keep and drive for a very long time. When I replace it, it will be with another LC (newer 81, perhaps near the end of their run when they're 15 years old and I can get one???)

Anyways, everybody buys what they buy for different reasons. Comparing only the milage is a little short sighted IMHO.

Cheers,
Jason
 
I agre with Jason and Wayne.
If you want a top quality, rugged, long lasting, low maintenance Landcruiser, and RHD does not intimidate you then JDM is the way to go. If fuel economy is your priority then go buy a used Toyota or Honda car or truck.
 
x3.. I consider the the 80 series the best big landcruiser . The locked turbo diesel varient HDJ 81 is the best of the 80s (imho). I have waited a long time for mine and done a ton of research and it's almost here. It's not the cost that was the major factor, rather the condition and equipment on the vehicle that makes JDM the way to go. I hope to drive mine as long as I can haul my lazy ass up into the seat!
 
yep, europe, south america, africa, ...
i think he meant any imported unit.

the problem i have with shopping in Europe of Oz is the amount of money they want vs the km of the unit. i have no problem with RHD on LHD roads and for the difference in cost vs mileage... i will stick with JDM.
15,000 euro for a BJ71 with 150,000 km?!?
15,000 euro for a HJ61 with 300,000++ km??
14,900 euro for a HDJ81 with 354,000 km??
then add shipping and customs and you are WAY more expensive than the JDM counterpart.

yes, you have a sweet selection of Cruisers in Europe but i can not afford the price tag.

now this i might be tempted with:
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The prices listed on the for-sale sites are high, but sooner or later they all end up on EBay (or Ricardo in Switzerland) and then you'll get a market price , like CHF 5000 for a 1983 FJ40 with 100000KM - if I didn't already have an 1984...

There are deals to be had over here, one needs just patience and an understanding partner.
 
how much is CHF 5000 in CND?

100,000 km, repainted and faded again... to buy that i would want someone that can go over it with a informed eye...
if that is actual 100K and the price was $5000 CND then THAT would be a good deal...
 
how much is CHF 5000 in CND?

100,000 km, repainted and faded again... to buy that i would want someone that can go over it with a informed eye...
if that is actual 100K and the price was $5000 CND then THAT would be a good deal...

$4968 CAD. A good deal if its real. My guess its had some bodywork if the step has been replaced with checker plate.
 
the checker plated back entrance seems fishy...

not that i am picking it apart, we are just comparing what comes out of Japan vs Europe now...
you know, apples to apples.

if i had a contact in europe, like i do in Japan that i can trust implicidly, then i would start shopping there but with the cost of the units, the milage, the (in most cases) rougher condition then it really doesn't make any sense...
 
I am actually going to have to agree with Wayne on this one, with the inclusion of saying that you will almost always get what you pay for, and also that buying from a local source is going to better than taking a gamble by buying in Japan (since the local seller has taken that gamble already).

Also, prices of certain models has gone up - and a lot in some cases. The Yen has gone up dramatically compared to the Cdn Dollar recently, and some models like the HJ61s are getting really hard to find in nice condition with all the bells and whistles.

If all you're concerned about is mileage, then get a Honda civic of VW diesel. Buy a Land Cruiser for the pleasure and longevity.


John
 
to buy that i would want someone that can go over it with a informed eye...

Swiss cars with a recent MFK (motorisierte Fahrzeug Kontrolle, in Germany TUV) are gone over with an informed eye. Safety inspections happen every 2 years and junk is not allowed to roll on the streets - no frame rusting or rusted body parts allowed, no dripping, no faulty transmissions, acceptable emissions, no shoddy wiring, etc... Kind of has to work like a Swiss clock.

No MFK is a warning signal for JUNK.

The guzzlers like the FJ40 with > 20 liters/100KM (10MPG) is a bit hard to finance when gas is over $7 US/gallon (CHF1.70/liter). That's why I'm doing the 3B diesel swap...
 
Take it from one of the guys that owns a 1986 CDN spec bj70, buy a truck from japan.... RHD isn't how you think it will be... test drive one and you'll see

cheers
 
Take it from one of the guys that owns a 1986 CDN spec bj70, buy a truck from japan.... RHD isn't how you think it will be... test drive one and you'll see

cheers

Can you clarify: do you mean the CDN spec is no good (it too is from Japan) compared to a JDM, and that RHD is or isn't easy to adjust to?
 
Canucksafari- Agreed x2
 
or look in Europe - we've got all the cool cruisers, too, and the steering wheel is on the proper side ;-)

...and my JDM has the steering wheel on the right side.

Simple test to see if your brain can master RHD: move your computer mouse to the left hand. If your brain can adjust in a day or so you'll be OK with RHD.
 
I took a slightly different approach than gb when I looked into a JDM Cruiser. Instead of comparing a 92 JDM with a 92 from the US, I compared what I could buy with 15-25k.

I could buy lots of US gassers usually with higher mileage and generally considered to be a gas hog, somewhat underpowered, etc. ( To be honest, now that I see the fairly big drop in the price of these, I would look closer now.)

I could buy a variety of used small and large SUV's and Wagon's (CRV, Tahoe, Trailblazer, Pilot, the Nissan one, etc, etc). But none on these had the right combo of space, comfort, economy, condition, etc.

I ended up with a great triple locked 92 HDJ81 with <80k, lots of space, decent economy, in excellent shape inside and out that will hopefully give me years of relatively trouble free motoring. It took about 1 hour to get used to RHD (mostly to stop putting on the wipers when I wanted to turn) and my wife LOVES it.

And you cannot argue with the cool factor.
 

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