Brake calipers, knuckles and other parts from other Crtuisers

[SNLC]

So knuckles from a Hilux will bolt on a 70-series HP 8" front axle. FJ60 knuckles will bolt on a pre-90 front axle and I believe the Hilux will as well.

I can go to any auto parts store and buy remanned FJ60 front brake calipers for $40. I have a set of brand new FJ60 remanned calipers in hand for another project and without even comparing I know they are not exactly the same as the 70-series HP 8" calipers. I have not checked close enough to see if they will work or bolt on. Has anybody checked into this? Part numbers are not the same.

On this note, are Hilux calipers the same as 70-series? I ask because if the FJ60's won't work the Hilux may very well work.

The point of this post is to find out for sure. This allows people, myself included, to walk into any auto parts store and buy reman calipers for $40 rather than buy them front Toyota at $250-400 each.


Besides calipers what else may bolt up? The knuckles do so a lot of other stuff available here in the states should also. Spindles? Hubs? What else? I am well aware spline count on shafts matters here.

Here is where I am going with this.

Chromoly spindles are readily available here. High steer kits too. Backing plate eliminators. Rock rings for the back of the knuckles and more from a Hilux or FJ60 can be bolted on a 70-series.


Cheers

 

[joekatana]

I might say you are wrong there , hilux outers bolt on to 8hp axles if the are from a light duty series not from the 1990 and up HD 8”hp axles.I don’t think they can be swapped with the later style that uses the slightly bigger birfield.

 

[JuanJ]

Hello,

Light Duty 70 (1984-90) Series Land Cruisers and Hiluxes share some components. HD trucks are different.

While it is possible to use Hilux calipers on a Heavy Duty 70 Series, it is better to leave the involved fabrication aside and go for the proper parts.

I would either use 70 Series parts or check 60 Series parts for compatibility instead. But that is just me.






Juan

 

[SNLC]

It bolts on. Only difference is the Cruiser has a slightly bigger trunnion bearing so you either use the Hilux bearing or clearance the knuckle slightly with a grinder.

I have done it.

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

I also just purchased a bunch of mini truck parts for an FJ40 build I am doing.

I am using the FJ60 knuckle on a 40 axle and the mini truck parts bolt onto the 60 knuckle.

Cheers

 

[joekatana]

It bolts on. Only difference is the Cruiser has a slightly bigger trunnion bearing so you either use the Hilux bearing or clearance the knuckle slightly with a grinder.

I have done it.

Cheers

Then why is the terrain tamer overhaul kit different for the hd 8” axle vs 40,55,60 and mini truck , why grinding something if you can get the correct parts at the same cost ?

 

[SNLC]

Then why is the terrain tamer overhaul kit different for the hd 8” axle vs 40,55,60 and mini truck , why grinding something if you can get the correct parts at the same cost ?

I think if you are asking why you don't get it man.

It is about saving money. It is also about utilizing the very nice resources and parts we have readily available here in the states.

Didn't you have a thread going recently to find cheap Monroe or whatever shocks in the states for a 70?

Same thing here. If I can or anybody else can walk into Napa/Autozone/whatever and buy new remanned calipers for $40 that is a good thing. I am trying to verify that in this thread. Can you help verify that? If not what exactly are you contributing to the thread?

Cheers

 

[joekatana]

I think if you are asking why you don't get it man.

It is about saving money. It is also about utilizing the very nice resources and parts we have readily available here in the states.

Didn't you have a thread going recently to find cheap Monroe or whatever shocks in the states for a 70?

Same thing here. If I can or anybody else can walk into Napa/Autozone/whatever and buy new remanned calipers for $40 that is a good thing. I am trying to verify that in this thread. Can you help verify that? If not what exactly are you contributing to the thread?

Cheers

It bolts on. Only difference is the Cruiser has a slightly bigger trunnion bearing so you either use the Hilux bearing or clearance the knuckle slightly with a grinder.

I have done it.

Cheers

Great so you have installed outers that are actually smaller then the axle they are mounted on?

Mini truck,hilux,40,55,60 and early 70/light duty 70 can’t be mixed with hd 7x 8” with HP

Just look at the difference for the rear wiper, even if you start grinding out parts you won’t get it to seal properly at the back .

Here are the different parts between the 2 rebuild kits and there different dimensions.

Good upgrade for any hilux, mini, 40,55,60 early or ld 70 is to use 4 Runner V6 calipers, on the 8”HP HD axles toyota used them oem, same as early 80 but the 80 have a different way of mounting so they don’t work.

 

[jblueridge]

I have slightly larger disc brakes from early 4runner on my 88 BJ74.
Bolted right on but brake backing plate had to be cut a little.

 

[SNLC]

I have slightly larger disc brakes from early 4runner on my 88 BJ74.
Bolted right on but brake backing plate had to be cut a little.

Awesome! Thanks for the info.

I might go buy a caliper $40, bring it home and compare. Then return it!

Thanks for the info!

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

Great so you have installed outers that are actually smaller then the axle they are mounted on?

Mini truck,hilux,40,55,60 and early 70/light duty 70 can’t be mixed with hd 7x 8” with HP

Just look at the difference for the rear wiper, even if you start grinding out parts you won’t get it to seal properly at the back .

Here are the different parts between the 2 rebuild kits and there different dimensions.

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Good upgrade for any hilux, mini, 40,55,60 early or ld 70 is to use 4 Runner V6 calipers, on the 8”HP HD axles toyota used them oem, same as early 80 but the 80 have a different way of mounting so they don’t work.

I think you should give Georg a call and discuss it with him, he and I have talked about the knuckles.

You also seem to be selective reading since I said you can use the Hilux trunnions without grinding yet you are focusing on the grinding part only. I should also mention I am talking about less than a mm of material that needs to be removed. It is the actual race on the Cruiser trunnions that is slightly more "proud". The Hilux knuckles slide right over the knuckle ball just not with the trunnion races in place since like I keep saying the Cruiser trunnions are about 1mm or less taller than the Hilux.

You and I are not getting any where so.....


I am off to cut & grind more stuff off a big build I am working on for a client. Got to fit some chromoly RCV shafts!


Cheers

 

[Loober]

I've recently replaced some calipers for front and rear on my 77, which has the HD HP 8" front and 9.5 rear, I brought in the old caliper to the dealer and laid it side by side with a 60 and 80, the 80 was identical. I also think a lot of the other axle parts are identical to the 80, since it also has 8" HP and 9.5 rear.

 

[Tapage]

So the mini caliper it's the same size as the 80 caliper .?

 

[joekatana]

So the mini caliper it's the same size as the 80 caliper .?

The V6 4Runner is the same size but there are some differences in the way they bolt to the axle, I remember giving a buddy a set of big 7x calipers to fix his FJ80 and he could not use them because the 80 iirc uses treaded holes and the others have tread in the axle housing.

 

[ozcrusier]

I fitted the hilux 4 runner style on my 85 hj75 straight bolt on application. The difference is the landcruiser has a big and small piston and hilux 4runner have two large pistons in the caliper. The early 80 series twin stage booster is also worth looking into for better brakes when towing etc.

 

[coldtaco]

I fitted the hilux 4 runner style on my 85 hj75 straight bolt on application. The difference is the landcruiser has a big and small piston and hilux 4runner have two large pistons in the caliper. The early 80 series twin stage booster is also worth looking into for better brakes when towing etc.

What years hilux/4runner?

 

[SNLC]

The V6 4Runner is the same size but there are some differences in the way they bolt to the axle, I remember giving a buddy a set of big 7x calipers to fix his FJ80 and he could not use them because the 80 iirc uses treaded holes and the others have tread in the axle housing.

Calipers bolt to the knuckle not the axle.

Holes in the "ears" on the knuckle are tapped. Been awhile since I worked on an 80 front axle but the 40/60/70 is all the same design and iirc so is an 80.

80 series is very similar to 70 HP front but I believe it has a bigger CV and also knuckle ball on the axle housing.

Cheers

 

[Tapage]

The V6 4Runner is the same size but there are some differences in the way they bolt to the axle, I remember giving a buddy a set of big 7x calipers to fix his FJ80 and he could not use them because the 80 iirc uses treaded holes and the others have tread in the axle housing.

I can tell for sure the W13S ( did I sort the letters right order ? ) V6 4R works on Tencha .. but I've been always on the believe that light dutty axles ain't working on the HD 8" HP 1990 and on ..

 

[joekatana]

I can tell for sure the W13S ( did I sort the letters right order ? ) V6 4R works on Tencha .. but I've been always on the believe that light dutty axles ain't working on the HD 8" HP 1990 and on ..

Yes you can swap the bigger calipers from the 8” HD 7x axles on the 40/55/60 and mini axles. You can not swap the complete hub/knuckle assembly from those 8” hd 7x axles on to any other axle because the balls on the axles are bigger then the 40/55/60 mini but smaller then the 80 series.

In a nutshell those HD 7x 8” HP axles use several parts that can be sourced/exchanged from other cruisers but you can’t simply remove the complete knuckle/ hub assembly and mount it on any other Toyota axle or do like a disc brake conversion with them on a 40 series or so. I wish the opposite was tru because I have always fresh inventory of these.

 

[ozcrusier]

What years hilux/4runner?

From memory they where LN106 but I have a spare set in shed will check them out over the weekend for part number and pics they also have extra cooling fins and run larger pads.