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that's a nice blue 40. the turn signal placement doesn't tell me anything if I'm looking at it from the side, instead of the front.

like if I'm riding my motorcycle along the main 2 land road and he's trying to turn onto it from a feeder road or his driveway: is he trying to pull into my lane and travel in the same direction, or pull across my lane and travel in the opposite direction?

Not that most NM drivers use 'em anyway....
 
Well I may be the only one but, I feel the US should have the fender/mirror signals like cars are required to have in europe.
 
US Mil. is also converting to 24v LED's on many of their vehicles. They can simply snap in a lens cover and instant IR for use with Nods. Only problem with Nods is you done see the holes in the trail/road that well.
 
Military vehicle lights

The convoys are using these extra lights to help illuminate the road and sides of the road to spot IEDs and other suspicious objects. Ten MRAPs in a convoy are noisy and obvious, so there is no stealth associated with these movements. NVGs and blackout drive does nothing for you except slow you down.
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How much is one of those MRAPs gunna cost at military surplus auction in 10 years? I want one converted for expedition use and as a tow rig for my 40.
 
mr natural said:
I passed a whole line of Army vehicles on the highway yesterday - Hummers, big 2 ton trucks, etc. etc. It dawned on me that not one of them had any sort of auxiliary lights other than the two round headlights on the vehicle. Every off road vehicle seems to have at least one extra pair of lights bolted on somewhere, if not 2 or 3 extra pair.

What is the real origin of all these off road lights and are they really necessary?

I know the Baja and Paris/Dakar racers and the Camel Trophy sort of defined a lot of the "style" of offroad vehicles, and I still think that a lot of what is done to most offroad trucks is done for style reasons rather than utility.
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Why would you think that what the military does has any bearing on what we do?

I am not driving in a convoy in a combat zone and they are not exploring untracked wilderness.

Mark...
 
Mark W said:
Why would you think that what the military does has any bearing on what we do?........
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Oh, I don't know. The military had a lot to do with the design and development of both the early Jeeps and Landcruisers. You can be sure that if any benefits were found back then, they were passed on to future designs. Sure, modern civilian technology has improved designs dramatically, but the heritage for most off road vehicles today comes from the U.S., British and Japanese Military in all kinds of environments around the world. You can also be sure if the military breaks any new ground in the off road arena, it will filter down to us, eventually.

P.S.: 1 good chat post deserves another:D

To the OP: If you have the need, slap on the lighting. The lights put on for looks will get torn off eventually, as does most unnecessary bling.
 
80t0ylc said:
Oh, I don't know. The military had a lot to do with the design and development of both the early Jeeps and Landcruisers. You can be sure that if any benefits were found back then, they were passed on to future designs. Sure, modern civilian technology has improved designs dramatically, but the heritage for most off road vehicles today comes from the U.S., British and Japanese Military in all kinds of environments around the world. You can also be sure if the military breaks any new ground in the off road arena, it will filter down to us, eventually.

P.S.: 1 good chat post deserves another:D

To the OP: If you have the need, slap on the lighting. The lights put on for looks will get torn off eventually, as does most unnecessary bling.
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You miss my point entirely it seems. Or tried to. The other line of my post which you clipped from your quote... I guess so that you could seem to have a reason for your comments... would seem to make my thoughts fairly clear.

That being... The military use of their rigs and the needs of the military have nothing to do with how we use our rigs and what works or doesn't work for the, what they do or don't chose to spend money on is completely irrelevant to our uses of our rigs.

It was offered... as my post made clear... in response the the comments that if the military does not need aux lights then we must not either.




Mark...
 
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Mark W said:
You miss my point entirely it seems. Or tried to. The other line of my post which you clipped from your quote... I guess so that you could seem to have a reason for your comments... would seem to make my thoughts fairly clear.

That being... The military use of their rigs and the needs of the military have nothing to do with how we use our rigs and what works or doesn't work for the, what they do or don't chose to spend money on is completely irrelevant to our uses of our rigs.

It was offered... as my post made clear... in response the the comments that if the military does not need aux lights then we must not either.




Mark...
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I'm not trying to change or edit your posts or the meaning therein, ok? But please don't assume that you represent how all of us feel on this subject. No disrespect intended, but you use the words "we" and "our" a little too loose, IMHO. I think that "I" and "my" might be more appropriate. I guess that's what caught my attention before. I am building my 80 for expedition use. Military convoy strategy could be of use, especially to multi vehicle expedition treks.
 
80t0ylc said:
I'm not trying to change or edit your posts or the meaning therein, ok? But please don't assume that you represent how all of us feel on this subject. No disrespect intended, but you use the words "we" and "our" a little too loose, IMHO. I think that "I" and "my" might be more appropriate. I guess that's what caught my attention before. I am building my 80 for expedition use. Military convoy strategy could be of use, especially to multi vehicle expedition treks.
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You have never served in the military have you?


Mark...
 
Mark W said:
You have never served in the military have you?


Mark...
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Yup, I have. I know exactly where you're going with this. Yeah, the military does things different and with a different budget than the average Joe. But, that doesn't mean we can't learn or profit from an idea that originated from military use. Even if it turns out that their idea is not the way to do something. The wise man listens to many ideas before he chooses his path. A closed mind can miss a multitude of opportunities. Food for thought.
 
Look all the way back to the OP. He seemed to think that since the military does not use aux driving lights that any non-military use of them was simply posing. I can't imagine that you could not understand the fallacy of his thinking or the point of my response.

I don't feel like arguing with you just to argue.


Mark...
 
GloryBigs said:
US Mil. is also converting to 24v LED's on many of their vehicles. They can simply snap in a lens cover and instant IR for use with Nods. Only problem with Nods is you done see the holes in the trail/road that well.
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I miss something here? A newb necros an old thread and Mark and Tom are arguing? That bring us up to date? Cool, agree to disagree's done and let's let the thread go idle while we enjoy some other thread without personal attacks please. Not that i'm a mod or anyone will listen but cool it already please.

Mark's a knowledgeable guy who most of us respect. Tom, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you in my travels into and through Oregon, but I'd like to chat next time I'm through there.

Ultimately we're all enthusiasts here, let's keep this civil from both sides.

O/T-Mark, WTF are MIBS? All I know of are Meeps, one of which is this one..
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Shoot me a pm with the reply?
 
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MIBS is the acronym for "More Is better Syndrome". It is kinda an inside joke these days. I coined it and used it in an Tech Exchange article a few years ago. It got resurrected in my sig line recently due to a bit of back and forth banter and I just left it there.


40 inch boggers are better than 35 inch ATs, a big block is better than a small block, 12000 pound winch better than 8000, Rockwells are better than Dana 60s... you get the idea... More Is better. :)


Mark...
 
Mark W said:
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40 inch boggers are better than 35 inch ATs, a big block is better than a small block, 12000 pound winch better than 8000, Rockwells are better than Dana 60s... you get the idea... More Is better. :)


Mark...
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Interestingly enough, I have my own version of this is:
"There's no kill like overkill."

Amusing stuff.
 
NorCalBorn said:
Yep. Convoy+Surveillance+Scopes+Night Vision=No need.
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Accept when you need depth perception which looking through NVGs dont necessarily give you. If youre traveling at night, a smaller, focused beam is going to be best.

Im adding one fog and one pencil beam to my 60 and thats it. No need for anymore really.
 
When the military does lights they don't mess around. A remote controlled Hellfighter would be fun to have mounted atop your rig.



That wasn't me in the LC. Probably one of you guys. :flipoff2:
 
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