Its for those worried about legality. The requirements that manufacturer adheres to are laid out on that site.
Maybe have the manufacture label it so it meets fmca spec.
Auxiliary Fuel tank for the empty space under the LX600?
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Its for those worried about legality. The requirements that manufacturer adheres to are laid out on that site.
Maybe have the manufacture label it so it meets fmca spec.
I only say it from experience dealing with insurance involving over 1m in liability. I can totally be wrong, but I can assure you that the number one goal of insurance companies is to not pay. If they have to pay, they then pursue someone to pay them back. Again, every situation is different but I think if you have a big bag of money and you accidentally hurt someone, lawyers and insurance companies will look at that bag and want it.
I think you answered your own question with your second sentence.So...you think that even if you didn't break any laws by installing the bull bar, you could still be liable for damages under civil law?
Sure you'd be on the hook for damages, but I don't think "installing a legal bull bar" would be the cause...
In any event, point me to where I said they did not break any laws? There is one thing called civil liability - tied to civil law and there is another thing called criminal liability - tied to criminal law. Two quite different things. This might be a surprise for you, but, in fact, one can be held liable under a civil case, even after being cleared in a criminal case - both related to the SAME conduct.
I will end my lawyer's rant here.
Anyway and back to the question, my point was I haven't heard of any cases in which, after a crash, the insurance company turns to the insurer and goes: "you had a bull bar/slider/whatever in your car that was attached to the frame and when you hit that wall (or anything else) your frame bent because of your bar - sorry no coverage." So, I can't see why they would do so in the case of an auxiliary tank, even if it explodes and totals the car, as you might seem to imply.
Well, lawyers typically know how to read, so I think you have a while to go there. Earlier I did limit the scope to legal bull bars, because there's no real point of talking about illegal bull bars, just like there's no real point of talking about slicing up a hole in your fuel tank, epoxying a hose up to 10 gal bucket filled with gas mounted on the roof, and calling that a long range mod. Both are obviously illegal so probably not something that we want to bother with. I was hoping that would be obvious, but here we are.
Anyway, even if we do talk about strictly legal modifications, there are cases where you mod you engine with a turbo, the engine blows up, and insurance won't cover it because you modded your engine. I think that one is a classic for modders. Similarly, say, if your aux fuel tank develops a leak, it catches fire and, as you say, explodes your car (or maybe even burns your house down), I don't see insurance covering that either. I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like common sense to me? I dunno, am I thinking too badly of insurance companies?
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That is, I guess, provided if they agree to certify?
I wonder if the OEM aux tank (https://partsouq.com/shop/product/7...iPPGrLTtF1fPOw5NgUyHeDVj_4gf-44-7nGS-tNia5WIZ) is certified. Probably not since otherwise they would sell them here?
Well, I explained above the difference between civil and criminal liability at a VERY basic level and how that affects your attempt to limit the scope to "legal bull bars", but that was clearly still too hard for you to understand, though you don't really have to be a lawyer to do so.
Anyway, moving on.
If they label the tank, then it fails and explodes, would I have to go after them in China?
So in these situations they probably meet the standard they just need to label it. Google it and take a look at the site i posted. If they dont meet the standard they probably wont label it.
A foolish boastful american is teaching us how to teach the chinese to make legal tanks. Dont get it, i would just put “meets legal requirements” on my website and also save my time.
Like a tire with a DOT date stamp but made in China.
Can we just say, owners are responsible and are taking the risk for installing this, like any other install? If you don't want to take the legal risk, just don't install it.
I'm more interested in ones who actually taking the risk and installing it and the process/cost to do it.
I'm more interested in ones who actually taking the risk and installing it and the process/cost to do it.
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Please keep the conversation civil.
I do not want this to turn into an argument but I would like to hear as many opinions on this as possible in a constructive way, point-> counter point.
The more ideas that are out there can help me and possibly others, with their decision.
I do recall some insurance cases where the installation of aftermarket gear causes the factory or second party insurance to null the insurance or warranty even though they are not related. These cases are pretty unique and it is my hope there is not a precedent set already (doesn't seem like it, but each of these are case by case)
It's always the factory or insurance trying to weasel their way out of shelling out any money to protect their investors and "bottom lining" everything even if there is a chance to get out of the contract.
Thank you everyone for the input and information, let's keep talking!
I do not want this to turn into an argument but I would like to hear as many opinions on this as possible in a constructive way, point-> counter point.
The more ideas that are out there can help me and possibly others, with their decision.
I do recall some insurance cases where the installation of aftermarket gear causes the factory or second party insurance to null the insurance or warranty even though they are not related. These cases are pretty unique and it is my hope there is not a precedent set already (doesn't seem like it, but each of these are case by case)
It's always the factory or insurance trying to weasel their way out of shelling out any money to protect their investors and "bottom lining" everything even if there is a chance to get out of the contract.
Thank you everyone for the input and information, let's keep talking!
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Back to the regularly scheduled program which is already in progress…….
Can’t wait for @LostInTranslation to receive his shipment since he paid air freight I paid slow boat.
Can’t wait for @LostInTranslation to receive his shipment since he paid air freight I paid slow boat.
Sure your insurance company probably would want to be reimbursed.
Well, that's their problem and not mine. I guess the point is just to buy from manufacturers who are willing to self certify in accordance with regulations, then tell your insurance about it.
Or don't, if you don't care about liability and coverage I guess?
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Interesting note form LRA's site. At the end of day, risk is on the owner in my opinion:
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