Auxiliary 8 gallon fuel tank

[krice118]

Does the remaining fuel turn back to a dinosaur or something when the light comes on? How is this any different than all previous Land Cruisers with a fuel light that comes on with 20% remaining? You can use all the gallons... The range is still greater all else equal.

I’m just Saying 414 mile range is misleading and not an accurate range for this new Land Cruiser (armchair QB here)


I would estimate 315-335 miles an accurate range before gas light comes on (23mpg x 14gallons) which is great. My 200 on 35s with bumper and rack only sees 225-250 miles before the gas light comes on.

I love more fuel capacity as much as the next guy. But if the new LC gets 23 mpg then it will have a 414 mile range, which is more than the 200 or any previous USDM LC. Even if you reduce that range with mods and off road driving, you have to really try to come up with a realistic route that requires more fuel than that in the US*.

*I can already tell people will be upset by this assertion.

 

[pawnthatdude]

I’m just Saying 414 mile range is misleading and not an accurate range for this new Land Cruiser (armchair QB here)


I would estimate 315-335 miles an accurate range before gas light comes on (23mpg x 14gallons) which is great. My 200 on 35s with bumper and rack only sees 225-250 miles before the gas light comes on.

So it still has longer range. I don't know what the controversy is. Measuring the range of the full tank is simply the best way to make apples to apples comparisons between any vehicles. No one is saying you're going to plan a route exactly 414 miles long between fuel stops because Mr. T said you could.

 

[hobbes]

Roughly a 400 mile range given the reported MPG. (Ironically the same range as my 80 when stock).

I have 33' tires on my 80 series and a ARB bumper. It'd be a reach to get 300 miles with little reserve left (14 mpg x 22 gal). Lots of people wanted the AUS aux tank...

 

[Corbet]

I have 33' tires on my 80 series and a ARB bumper. It'd be a reach to get 300 miles with little reserve left (14 mpg x 22 gal). Lots of people wanted the AUS aux tank...

Well the 250 comes with 33's and is rated for 23MPG. We don't know how the hybrid is going to react to mods but why is it so hard for everyone to accept its more efficient than older models? Personally I think the hybrid is going to be better with mods as the high torque electric motor will help get the thing moving. There will come a point of deminishing returns. I don't think a 250 will be happy if loaded down as much as my 80. Which still gets 13-14, 10 towing on 37's fully armored with a RTT.

 

[trailman7]

Grand Highlander Hybrid Gas tank issues

Might be relevant to the discussion. People are having issues with the 17 gallon gas tank on the Hybrid Grand Highlander

 

[TWILLY]

For those who prefer the peace of mind of extended range, I expect the best (least costly, most elegant) solutions for the 250 will be:

(1) replacing the stock tank with a larger one (LRA, when available, or perhaps from the GX); or
(2) ordering and installing the factory subtank (easier said than done, but I'm sure someone on the forum will figure it out); or
(3) adding a swing-out to carry jerry cans that fastens to the four-bolt mount on the rear frame member (bumper).

Each of these avoids displacing and relocating the spare (as an LRA aux tank would) and avoids the payload and financial costs of a full aftermarket rear bumper (as would be required to carry jerrys or relocate a displaced spare).

In my dream world Toyota would offer a "HD" or "Touring" package for the 1958 that would include:

(1) the 9.5 rear diff and beefier running gear; and
(2) 1700 - 1800 payload; and
(2) the factory subtank or a larger main tank.

Please, take my money.

 

[M1911]

In my dream world Toyota would offer a "HD" or "Touring" package for the 1958 that would include:

(1) the 9.5 rear diff and beefier running gear. and
(2) 1700 - 1800 payload, and
(2) the factory subtank or a larger main tank.

Please, take my money.

Then it would cost more and Ih8mudders would bitch about how Toyota should have made the LC cheaper…

 

[trailman7]

Looks like my posts go straight to moderation if I link to a different site since I'm a new member but if you do a search, The 2024 Grand Hylander Hybrid is having issues with the 17 gallon fuel tank and how much range the vehicle estimates is left. People are filling up and only able to put 12-13 gallons in the tank when the vehicle is telling them they are down to less than 30 miles of range. Seems like either a calibration issue or the design of the tanks is such that the current system can't report accurate fuel levels. Sounds like the dealers are blowing it off telling people they need to drive the vehicle longer to calibrate but after 5k-10k- miles people are not seeing changes.

 

[Jeremy556]

Looks like my posts go straight to moderation if I link to a different site since I'm a new member but if you do a search, The 2024 Grand Hylander Hybrid is having issues with the 17 gallon fuel tank and how much range the vehicle estimates is left. People are filling up and only able to put 12-13 gallons in the tank when the vehicle is telling them they are down to less than 30 miles of range. Seems like either a calibration issue or the design of the tanks is such that the current system can't report accurate fuel levels. Sounds like the dealers are blowing it off telling people they need to drive the vehicle longer to calibrate but after 5k-10k- miles people are not seeing changes.

Think that's by design. My 2011 4runner, when the range to empty display is 0, I still have around 4 gallons of fuel in the tank. I have gone 60 miles after it reached 0 a couple of times.

 

[trailman7]

Think that's by design. My 2011 4runner, when the range to empty display is 0, I still have around 4 gallons of fuel in the tank. I have gone 60 miles after it reached 0 a couple of times.

Below is a post from someone who tried to force a buyback through arbitration:

"This deserves it's own post, but for now I'm going to leave it here for people to find.

I went through a full arbitration with a third party and Toyota to try and push a buy back and get stuff on record. Here's the cliff notes (note that we don't have a recording, or stenographer so I don't think we could take it to court).

First: Toyota admits there is a problem. They estimate that 15% of the advertised tank considered reserve/air, 85% rest usable. Therefore if it's 17.1 gallons then by design it should be able to fill up to 14.5 gallons when displaying empty. 11 - 12 gallons is below design. They did not argue this point.

Second: The admit that the software to calculate distance to empty and fuel gauge as being empty is overly conservative. That is what they kept coming back to. They said that there is a fix in the works, but it has to be approved by multiple government agencies and they don't know how long it will be until that comes out, but it is being worked on.

Third: This to me is the biggest point. They argued that while I am getting measurably below design range it does not affect the value because....Every grand highlander hybrid is having this problem. Therefore the value is not depreciated against other grand highlanders.

Unfortunately the arbitrator agreed that this does not significantly affect value and denied my motion for a buyback. I feel like it's a bigger deal though that Toyota admits every one of the vehicles has this issue and yet they are keeping it quiet."

 

[M1911]

Looks like my posts go straight to moderation if I link to a different site since I'm a new member but if you do a search, The 2024 Grand Hylander Hybrid is having issues with the 17 gallon fuel tank and how much range the vehicle estimates is left. People are filling up and only able to put 12-13 gallons in the tank when the vehicle is telling them they are down to less than 30 miles of range. Seems like either a calibration issue or the design of the tanks is such that the current system can't report accurate fuel levels. Sounds like the dealers are blowing it off telling people they need to drive the vehicle longer to calibrate but after 5k-10k- miles people are not seeing changes.

The LC has traditionally told you that it is empty when there are still 4 gallons left in the tank.

I don't think that's an issue. That's just the way Toyota designed it and the dealers aren't "blowing it off".

 

[M1911]

Below is a post from someone who tried to force a buyback through arbitration:

"This deserves it's own post, but for now I'm going to leave it here for people to find.

I went through a full arbitration with a third party and Toyota to try and push a buy back and get stuff on record. Here's the cliff notes (note that we don't have a recording, or stenographer so I don't think we could take it to court).

First: Toyota admits there is a problem. They estimate that 15% of the advertised tank considered reserve/air, 85% rest usable. Therefore if it's 17.1 gallons then by design it should be able to fill up to 14.5 gallons when displaying empty. 11 - 12 gallons is below design. They did not argue this point.

Second: The admit that the software to calculate distance to empty and fuel gauge as being empty is overly conservative. That is what they kept coming back to. They said that there is a fix in the works, but it has to be approved by multiple government agencies and they don't know how long it will be until that comes out, but it is being worked on.

Third: This to me is the biggest point. They argued that while I am getting measurably below design range it does not affect the value because....Every grand highlander hybrid is having this problem. Therefore the value is not depreciated against other grand highlanders.

Unfortunately the arbitrator agreed that this does not significantly affect value and denied my motion for a buyback. I feel like it's a bigger deal though that Toyota admits every one of the vehicles has this issue and yet they are keeping it quiet."

Someone wants a buyback over this?

Goodness, gracious. Some folks need to learn how to use the trip odometer -- I admit that it is complicated. After all, you have to push a button in and, wait for it, hold it for a few seconds.

 

[trailman7]

The LC has traditionally told you that it is empty when there are still 4 gallons left in the tank.

I don't think that's an issue. That's just the way Toyota designed it and the dealers aren't "blowing it off".

Someone wants a buyback over this?

Goodness, gracious. Some folks need to learn how to use the trip odometer -- I admit that it is complicated. After all, you have to push a button in and, wait for it, hold it for a few seconds.

4 gallons on a 17 gallon tank is a pretty big percentage compared to 4 gallons on a 24 gallon tank. If you read the Highlander forums, it's enough of an issue that the more recent posts are starting to sound like Toyota may be leaning towards a recall. Dealers are having to act like it isn't an issue until Toyota addresses it. My last Toyota was a 4 Runner so I'm familiar with Toyota being conservative on their range estimates. I have a deposit on the 250 LC but passed on the nonrefundable deposit to lock down the First Edition that was offered for scenarios just like this. I want to see real world drivability reports before pulling the trigger. For people who plan to actually use these for extended off-roading trips, this is definitely an issue people need to be aware of so they can calculate actual usable range. I'm brand agnostic and try to purchase the best quality vehicle at the time of purchase that suits my needs and then will drive that vehicle to the end of its useful life. That automatically puts Toyota in the top quartile of vehicles I consider. This is not a non-issue if we're getting a smaller tank that actually only holds 15 gallons and tells you to fill up at 12 gallons.

 

[M1911]

4 gallons on a 17 gallon tank is a pretty big percentage compared to 4 gallons on a 24 gallon tank. If you read the Highlander forums, it's enough of an issue that the more recent posts are starting to sound like Toyota may be leaning towards a recall. Dealers are having to act like it isn't an issue until Toyota addresses it. My last Toyota was a 4 Runner so I'm familiar with Toyota being conservative on their range estimates. I have a deposit on the 250 LC but passed on the nonrefundable deposit to lock down the First Edition that was offered for scenarios just like this. I want to see real world drivability reports before pulling the trigger. For people who plan to actually use these for extended off-roading trips, this is definitely an issue people need to be aware of so they can calculate actual usable range. I'm brand agnostic and try to purchase the best quality vehicle at the time of purchase that suits my needs and then will drive that vehicle to the end of its useful life. That automatically puts Toyota in the top quartile of vehicles I consider. This is not a non-issue if we're getting a smaller tank that actually only holds 15 gallons and tells you to fill up at 12 gallons.

I’ve been driving a 200 for 7 years and a 4th Gen 4Runner for 13 years before that. Both turned on the low fuel light with 4-5 gallons left in the tank. It isn’t hard to figure out how much fuel is left in the tank. It isn’t hard to figure out how your fuel economy has been on the current tank (the dash will tell you that). So i completely disagree about this being a significant issue.

Is there an SAE standard about how much fuel should be left when the low fuel lot goes on? If not, it is just your opinion against Toyotas.

There are reasons to like or not like a vehicle and reasons to avoid a first year vehicle. But to get worked up over this? Really?

And you joined ih8mud specifically to complain about this? Really?

 

[Corbet]

While frustrating it's pretty easy to know how much you have left as long as the system is consistent. My 80's warning light come on with 5 gallons left religiously. I drove it home last weekend from the desert towing the trailer with the warning light on long before Durango. I rolled into town with 3 gallons left no issue. Warning light for me means 50 miles towing or 70 not.

 

[trailman7]

I’ve been driving a 200 for 7 years and a 4th Gen 4Runner for 13 years before that. Both turned on the low fuel light with 4-5 gallons left in the tank. It isn’t hard to figure out how much fuel is left in the tank. It isn’t hard to figure out how your fuel economy has been on the current tank (the dash will tell you that). So i completely disagree about this being a significant issue.

Is there an SAE standard about how much fuel should be left when the low fuel lot goes on? If not, it is just your opinion against Toyotas.

There are reasons to like or not like a vehicle and reasons to avoid a first year vehicle. But to get worked up over this? Really?

And you joined ih8mud specifically to complain about this? Really?

I joined to hopefully join you in LC ownership. I’ve been browsing since the announcement of Toyota brining them back to the US.

I think the Highlander fuel tank issue is relevant to this particular subject of an 8 gallon reserve tank since they are the same size gas tank on a hybrid platform and the Highlander averages more MPG. Some owners are not thrilled with the useable capacity of the tank. No need to get defensive. Trying to be helpful for those who are genuinely concerned about actual range and capacity of the LC 250 enough to add reserve tanks.