Any buyer's remorse after getting the new 250?

[Noctilucent]

I would say prideful ignorance is claiming you have a Land Cruiser and in fact it is 250 series Prado. But who cares whether I and many think it is not a real Land Cruiser. Did I hurt you pride honey?

The Station Wagon owner, in a desperate attempt to justify his stance, insists the Prado (250 series) is not a “real” Land Cruiser. But his argument falters in the face of facts. The Prado, like the 70 Series, is a true Land Cruiser. rightfully earning its place in the family. His words drip with prideful ignorance, distorting the legacy of a well-established vehicle to fit his narrow view. Pride is one thing, but ignoring history and facts is another. No amount of mockery or dismissal can erase the Prado's undeniable legacy as part of the Land Cruiser lineage. Yet, in his defiance, he will remain in the room, hurling aimless insults, clutching at whatever scraps of delusion can keep his dying illusion alive... "Muh real Land Cruiser....."

 

[MeWantLC]

Long ago, when the LC250 / GX550 were announced, I posted something along these lines: The Prados are FANTASTIC vehicles. I have a childhood friend who's parents owned a restaurant and a farm and they still have one back home, amazing cars ! I always wanted one here and never got the GX here because the swing door but they are amazing vehicles. While traveling around the world, saw many Prados and actually the labels in the back doors were LandCruiser PRADO (not shouting, just it was like that). I don't like that Toyota is using the name to sell more here, but it is what it is. I would like it very much if they had named them LandCruiser PRADO (again, not shouting) in the back but it is what it is, it is obvious they want to sell more here, after all, they are a company which goal is to make money, not to please us. IT IS SO bad, that even the Toyota salesman I saw today called it a Land Cruiser like my LC200 as we were leaving for a test drive, acknowledging that they were in fact THE SAME line, I did not say anything, it won't make a difference...

I drove a LC250 Land cruiser and then went to a Lexus to test drive the GX550. I had previously sat in a GX550 (not drive) not a LC250. Not going to bother with more details that you already know, but IMHO, both are nice vehicles with their own rights. I like it better the feel of the GX550 V6 Twin Turbo engine, and the overall feel of it. Neither compares to the "feel" and "heft" of the LC200, even the LX600 (small details like even the seat belts, or the AC vents on top of the roof, etc). And I am not bias because I own a LC200, I want to gift me a new car, I do... I am not wealth by any stretch of the imagination, but I can swing with hard work either one of them four: LC250, GX550, new-er LC200, or a LX600. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am really trying to be as objective as I can be. I have pretty much ruled out the LC250, as much as I REALLY wanted it to work for what I want; still thinking about the GX550 but Overtrail but it is TOTALLY dumb they don't have 3rd AC zone, and honestly pretty much ruled out the LX600 even the salesman who I know for a long time (and will retire in end 2025) suggested me the GX550 over the LX600 but he will be happy to sell me either -truth or not he is telling me what he thinks or biased for a bigger margin comission on the GX, who knows, but he basically told me w/o telling me to go for the GX550-, OR get a new-er LC200 with less mileage and be done.

Sorry, long post and I dont even own one so really no remorse...yet. My bad...lol.

 

[2021 LC200]

Actually, I was/am, but need to test drive it. Various reasons: V6 NA, to start. Flat sleepping inside. If it was what a Pilot was, great space inside. 3rd AC zone. I know it is not made in japan, but Honda are actually good, unless things have chagned latelty. And a few more. I know it is not body on frame but for hard rock clibming, my LC80 wouild do just fine lol.




No, can you please share? I thought this V6's were actually pretty good. Thank you for sharing !!!

I hear turning off the cylinders is a weakeness of the V6 pilot however there is an aftermarket fix for that. Otherwise Honda is great, like Toyota’s.

 

[2021 LC200]

The Station Wagon owner, in a desperate attempt to justify his stance, insists the Prado (250 series) is not a “real” Land Cruiser. But his argument falters in the face of facts. The Prado, like the 70 Series, is a true Land Cruiser. rightfully earning its place in the family. His words drip with prideful ignorance, distorting the legacy of a well-established vehicle to fit his narrow view. Pride is one thing, but ignoring history and facts is another. No amount of mockery or dismissal can erase the Prado's undeniable legacy as part of the Land Cruiser lineage. Yet, in his defiance, he will remain in the room, hurling aimless insults, clutching at whatever scraps of delusion can keep his dying illusion alive... "Muh real Land Cruiser....."

Happy to see you understand the Land Cruiser lines and that you dare to write Prado. Happy we got that cleared up.

To be clear, I like the Prado. I just do not get the misleading marketing.

 

[Noctilucent]

Happy to see you understand the Land Cruiser lines and that you dare to write Prado. Happy we got that cleared up.

To be clear, I like the Prado. I just do not get the misleading marketing.

The name 'Prado' meaning 'meadow' or 'field' in Spanish and Portuguese, reflects its versatility to navigate through diverse terrains a fitting testament to its Land Cruiser heritage. Far from misleading, it’s a name that celebrates capability and endurance, qualities that have earned it global respect. Perhaps the only 'misleading' element here is dismissing such a well-rounded Land Cruiser based on a name you can't seem to reconcile.

 

[2021 LC200]

The name 'Prado' meaning 'meadow' or 'field' in Spanish and Portuguese, reflects its versatility to navigate through diverse terrains a fitting testament to its Land Cruiser heritage. Far from misleading, it’s a name that celebrates capability and endurance, qualities that have earned it global respect. Perhaps the only 'misleading' element here is dismissing such a well-rounded Land Cruiser based on a name you can't seem to reconcile.

Thanks, enjoy it, as there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[2021 LC200]

Just came by this trip through Namibia with 200, 150, 70 series, hilux and even a VW Amrak… All in all awesome display of Toyota's and their capability.

 

[Ackcruisers]

I like the look and ride of the Landcruiser 250 series. I grew up with Landcruisers. My mother had a new from dealer 1989 Fj62 and it was a great truck. I am a purist and have admired the engineering and longevity of the 200 series.

Below is my 40 in NH doing some stock class trails. I hope there is no arguing that this is a real Landcruiser.

 

[Pauly]

I like the look and ride of the Landcruiser 250 series. I grew up with Landcruisers. My mother had a new from dealer 1989 Fj62 and it was a great truck. I am a purist and have admired the engineering and longevity of the 200 series.

Below is my 40 in NH doing some stock class trails. I hope there is no arguing that this is a real Landcruiser.

Not just a real Land Cruiser, but a Heavy Duty Land Cruiser!

Here is my Heavy Duty and my Light Duty Land Cruiser. Love them both.

 

[thatcabledude]

A Cayman just does not suddenly become a 911

A Ranger not a F150

And so the 250 series is the 150 follow up. For those who know it will always be a Prado.

And the IFS having, semifloat rear sporting, bloated Highlander you won’t shut up about is not a Land Cruiser

 

[lcgeek]

Yep, the 200 and now 300 series are the real deal.

Troll on

 

[lcgeek]

Not just a real Land Cruiser, but a Heavy Duty Land Cruiser!

Here is my Heavy Duty and my Light Duty Land Cruiser. Love them both.

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Nice Land Cruisers you have there.

 

[rexington14]

And the IFS having, semifloat rear sporting, bloated Highlander you won’t shut up about is not a Land Cruiser

He will soon be forced to retreat to the 200 series section to troubleshoot eventual problems with his 200. Probably when the factory supplied defective radiator explodes, the water pump bearings fail, the valley plate leaks coolant, the cam towers leak oil, the timing chain tensioner(s) go, the timing cover leaks oil, the head gasket blows and the aluminum block warps (introduce an aluminum block in a Land Cruiser? lol), or whatever other issue pops up on his "overbuilt" 200 series.

As a 100 series owner with a 2UZ-FE with a cast iron block, I and others (Doug DeMuro?, TCCN?) look down on the 200 series and deem it not a real Land Cruiser, especially in terms of powertrain reliability and durability which the 200 is a significant downgrade from the 100 series with the legendary 2UZ-FE.

... am I doing this right?

 

[Adam R]

We all know the last "real" Land Cruiser the US got was the 80 series. Solid axle, triple locked, enough said.....

I'm looking to replace my wife's 100 and was thinking of using it to replace my own 80 series, but after doing a moderately difficult trail in it as a test of it's off-road prowess, I've decided to keep my 80 as the trail rig for now. It's now where near as simple or durable as the 80, but the ride to the trail is certainly more comfortable in the 100.

For my wife, we'll likely get the GX 550 once they fix a few character flaws like the lack of 3rd row AC and finally adopt an interior color other than black. I've driven both the GX and LC and the LC 250 engine, and it's NVH characteristics, is something I can do without. I'll happily pay for extra fuel to get a far better driving experience.

 

[Zill]

We all know the last "real" Land Cruiser the US got was the 80 series. Solid axle, triple locked, enough said.....

I'm looking to replace my wife's 100 and was thinking of using it to replace my own 80 series, but after doing a moderately difficult trail in it as a test of it's off-road prowess, I've decided to keep my 80 as the trail rig for now. It's now where near as simple or durable as the 80, but the ride to the trail is certainly more comfortable in the 100.

For my wife, we'll likely get the GX 550 once they fix a few character flaws like the lack of 3rd row AC and finally adopt an interior color other than black. I've driven both the GX and LC and the LC 250 engine, and it's NVH characteristics, is something I can do without. I'll happily pay for extra fuel to get a far better driving experience.

Not until you seize a bearing in the new TTV6 and it costs you ~30k to fix

 

[TWILLY]

The Station Wagon owner, in a desperate attempt to justify his stance, insists the Prado (250 series) is not a “real” Land Cruiser. But his argument falters in the face of facts. The Prado, like the 70 Series, is a true Land Cruiser. rightfully earning its place in the family. His words drip with prideful ignorance, distorting the legacy of a well-established vehicle to fit his narrow view. Pride is one thing, but ignoring history and facts is another. No amount of mockery or dismissal can erase the Prado's undeniable legacy as part of the Land Cruiser lineage. Yet, in his defiance, he will remain in the room, hurling aimless insults, clutching at whatever scraps of delusion can keep his dying illusion alive... "Muh real Land Cruiser....."

A narrator poet is precisely what this thread needed.

 

[2021 LC200]

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It says 250 series Prado… Seems that was a lot of work editing for missing the point entirely.

 

[Adam R]

Not until you seize a bearing in the new TTV6 and it costs you ~30k to fix

Yea, I'm sure an engine replacement will cost half the price of a new complete vehicle. By the time I buy a new GX, the swarf issue will long be resolved. Also, after footing the bill for 100,000 engine replacements, I'm pretty sure Toyota is going to make sure that is never an issue again. I've got 3 Toyota's right now with over 300,000 miles on each of them and they all run like tops. Properly maintained and properly driven the new GX and LC engines will return similar longevity. Many also seem concerned about the turbo's being a life limited component, but most people don't have any clue about how to properly cool down a turbo vehicle. With both my hi-lux and 80 series having pyrometer's on them, it's pretty much guaranteed that most drivers are shutting down their engines well above 400F on the manifold side of the turbo's. Yes, they have water cooled turbo's, but so are mine and it always takes 15-30 seconds to cool down the turbo's after coming to a stop. If you do a hard run up a Colorado pass, it can take much longer to bring the temps down from 1300F to 400F and gas turbo engines can get much hotter than the 1300F I let my diesels get up to.

 

[Zill]

Yea, I'm sure an engine replacement will cost half the price of a new complete vehicle. By the time I buy a new GX, the swarf issue will long be resolved. Also, after footing the bill for 100,000 engine replacements, I'm pretty sure Toyota is going to make sure that is never an issue again. I've got 3 Toyota's right now with over 300,000 miles on each of them and they all run like tops. Properly maintained and properly driven the new GX and LC engines will return similar longevity. Many also seem concerned about the turbo's being a life limited component, but most people don't have any clue about how to properly cool down a turbo vehicle. With both my hi-lux and 80 series having pyrometer's on them, it's pretty much guaranteed that most drivers are shutting down their engines well above 400F on the manifold side of the turbo's. Yes, they have water cooled turbo's, but so are mine and it always takes 15-30 seconds to cool down the turbo's after coming to a stop. If you do a hard run up a Colorado pass, it can take much longer to bring the temps down from 1300F to 400F and gas turbo engines can get much hotter than the 1300F I let my diesels get up to.

It does cost 30k to throw in a new TTV6? Have you seen the repair bills just for a short block replacement from Toyota?

They don’t have this engine seizing issue fixed since it’s still showing up in the 2024 Tundras after the “supposed” fix. I for sure would skip this motor until they go back to the drawing board with a clean sheet redesign.

The 2.4 NVH is a hell of a lot better than dealing with the lower resale value and the constant thought of knowing “when is my motor going to seize up” on your commute going down the road on a highway with a complete loss of power.

 

[LCOceans]

Yea, I'm sure an engine replacement will cost half the price of a new complete vehicle. By the time I buy a new GX, the swarf issue will long be resolved. Also, after footing the bill for 100,000 engine replacements, I'm pretty sure Toyota is going to make sure that is never an issue again. I've got 3 Toyota's right now with over 300,000 miles on each of them and they all run like tops. Properly maintained and properly driven the new GX and LC engines will return similar longevity. Many also seem concerned about the turbo's being a life limited component, but most people don't have any clue about how to properly cool down a turbo vehicle. With both my hi-lux and 80 series having pyrometer's on them, it's pretty much guaranteed that most drivers are shutting down their engines well above 400F on the manifold side of the turbo's. Yes, they have water cooled turbo's, but so are mine and it always takes 15-30 seconds to cool down the turbo's after coming to a stop. If you do a hard run up a Colorado pass, it can take much longer to bring the temps down from 1300F to 400F and gas turbo engines can get much hotter than the 1300F I let my diesels get up to.

Guilty ....I have no clue about cooling down a turbo. Would you mind elaborating on this a bit please? Are you saying with the LC250 I need to let truck run a little before shutting down the engine when I am finished driving? If so how long? Thank You!