AMP or Volt Meter & Fuel Guage

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I'm redo'n my guages and was wonder which way to go. Amp or Volt guage and why?

Also, is there any tricks to getting my fuel level sender calibrated with an after market guage?

Thanks,
 
Volt meter is easier to hook up, especially with H/O alternators and heavy electrical loads. No shunt to wire. Don't know what to tell you on the fuel gauge.
 
An amp meter tells you more useful information: Whether your battery is charging or discharging, whether your battery is fully charged or it is bad.

A volt meter just tells you if your alternator is working, just like an idiot light.
 
I to like the amp meter, down side you have to run the large charge wire from your alternator through the guage then to the batt.
 
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Of course, u could go digital!



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Pin_Head said:
It is bull s***. Who ever wrote it doesn't know what he is talking about.

Maybe. But there are quite a few people that would agree with him. Honestly, if I had the choice, and could pick only one, I think I would pick the voltmeter. Even though i like an ammeter because it's very easy to see (either good/no good), a accurate volt reading is pretty useful. But I guess it's all personal preference.
 
To "volt" or "amp" out...is that the question?

OHM’s law, I=E/R.
I=current, amps, intensity, flow
E=voltage, electromotive force, strength to do work
R=resistance, obstruction

An amp (flow) gauge measures current flow to the storage device, such as a battery (those water tanks 100 feet in the air). A voltmeter (pressure gauge) measures the storage strength within the battery (head pressure of the water column in pounds).

If you push (pump) electrons (water) into a battery (water tank), you will see current (water) flow. If you measure the storage in volts (pounds) within the battery (water tank) you will know how much force or strength is ready to work.

When you close a switch (open a faucet) to use power (pressure in the water tank) it does work. If the power stored in the battery (level in the water tank) is low, little work is done such as illuminating a light (running a lawn sprinkler) or turning a starter motor (water wheel).

Both gauges have a place in knowing what is happening within a system, spend another $10 and buy the other gauge and you’ll know what your system is capable of doing and how well it is replenished. I have both, but for me if only one could be used, it would be the volt meter.

My two cents... or two meters,

Jerry D.
 
ducktapeguy said:
Maybe. But there are quite a few people that would agree with him. .

Maybe I should have qualified it. What he says about volt meters is true: they are easy to hook up and they tell you the voltage. It is what he says about amp meters that is bull****.

Specifically:
1. You don't need to run high current into the cab with modern aftermarket amp and meters found on cruisers after '78.
2. An amp meter does tell you if your alternator is not working properly, because it will read a negative current drain. His claim that it doesn't is pure BS.
3. What an amp meter tells you that a volt meter doesn't is whether your battery is fully charged or not and if your battery is in good shape because it can take and hold a charge.
4. An amp meter will also tell you if your alternator is overcharging although it won't distinguish between this and a bad battery by itself.
5. An amp meter will tell you if you have a serious short that will drain your battery with the key off.
6. If your alternator fails, an amp meter will give you an idea of how long the battery will last.

A volt meter is like an idiot light with a needle. Because the voltage is regulated on cars, the voltage doesn't change until you turn the car off or the alternator fails. While it can also detect an over charging situation, this is rare.

While it is true that amps and volts are related by resistance, in cars and trucks it is the amps that vary the most because the voltage is regulated and the resistance is constant.
 
dfmorse: Do you have more info on that shunt, current capacity, website, etc?

I would prefer both but with 2/0 battery cables and #2 alernator wire I didn't want the hassle of trying to wire it.

I will disagree that the load is constant, and only the maximum voltage is regulated. Between electric fans, lights, winches, compressors, and stereos (not so much in LC's) that the load changes from requiring maybe 10 amps to power the vehicle, to over 100 amps with electric fans, lights, and a compressor running. You can generally tell if your running in the green if your voltage is around 13.5V If your voltage drops below 12-ish then your running in the red. If your at idle and your electric fans just kicked on that may be expected, if your running down the road and your voltage is dropping there may be a problem. You can have voltage with no ampacity, but no ampacity without voltage.

But for the most complete information on your electrical system you need both.
 
Pin_Head said:
Maybe I should have qualified it. What he says about volt meters is true: they are easy to hook up and they tell you the voltage. It is what he says about amp meters that is bull****.

Specifically:
1. You don't need to run high current into the cab with modern aftermarket amp and meters found on cruisers after '78.
2. An amp meter does tell you if your alternator is not working properly, because it will read a negative current drain. His claim that it doesn't is pure BS.
3. What an amp meter tells you that a volt meter doesn't is whether your battery is fully charged or not and if your battery is in good shape because it can take and hold a charge.
4. An amp meter will also tell you if your alternator is overcharging although it won't distinguish between this and a bad battery by itself.
5. An amp meter will tell you if you have a serious short that will drain your battery with the key off.
6. If your alternator fails, an amp meter will give you an idea of how long the battery will last.

A volt meter is like an idiot light with a needle. Because the voltage is regulated on cars, the voltage doesn't change until you turn the car off or the alternator fails. While it can also detect an over charging situation, this is rare.

While it is true that amps and volts are related by resistance, in cars and trucks it is the amps that vary the most because the voltage is regulated and the resistance is constant.

I think he's partially right about ammeters, maybe not totally correct.

1) True, you can get an ammeter without the high currents inside the cabin. But since these are relying on a very low resistance shunt, in my experience they tend not to be very accurate. A very small change in resistance (either due to connections or old age) will give inaccurate readings. But I think the trade off is worth the extra margin of safety of not having those wires in the cabin.

2) I think what he said was that you couldn't distinguish a working alternator from a different problem, but yes, a ammeter will tell you if the alternator is working in some instances. But a voltemeter will also tell you that by the battery voltage.

3) This one is where a voltmeter would be better. An ammeter will not tell you if your battery is fully charged, only whether there is current flowing into it. Theoretcially a good battery will show now flow when it's fully charged, but a bad alternator or other problems will show the same thing. Whereas a voltmeter will actually tell you what condition the battery is in.

4) Maybe. It might tell you if it's overcharging, but the current flow could also be due to accessories that are running off the battery. It's somewhat vague. A voltmeter will also tell you if it's overcharging based on the voltaage reading, and my gut feeling tells me it's a more accurate indication.

5) True, but an ammeter will only tell you if there's a serious short that's draining a LOT of current. I think you'd also be able to tell by the smoke coming from your engine compartment :) A voltmeter will also show a short, and is maybe a more accurate indication of minor shorts

6) Actually, it is the voltmeter will tell you how much longer your battery will last, the ammeter is only telling you how fast it's draining. If your ammeter is showing 10 amps of current flow, you don't know whether the battery itself is good or bad, only that it's draining at 10 amps. A voltmeter will tell you how much life is left in the battery, and you can estimate how long it will last by how fast the voltage is going down. For this situation, I would definitely prefer the voltmeter.

In the end, it all depends on what you prefer. They will both tell you information in different ways. I think a voltmeter will give you the same information as an ammeter and more IF you know how to read it correctly, but it's not as easily understood as an ammeter reading.
 
Both points are made equally well and make the argument that both are needed. A volt meter can look like you battery is charging because it is reading greater than 12 volts but you have no idea how much it is charging without the ammeter. A ammeter can also tell you how much of a load is being put on your Alternator while it is charging while a volt meter will tell you only that it is charging a full voltage. Now a volt meter will tell you how charged your battery truly is, and how well it is charging. So to have a truly accurate measurement you should have both.
 

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