Alarm starter disable removal (3 Viewers)

[grizz737]

I have a 91 JF80 with the TVSS. I have the users manual but no remote and don't wish to get a remote. I want the damn thing out of my LC so I don't have to worry about turning the key and hear the sound of no starter happily spinning those 150 ponies. I'm hoping somebody can tell me were to locate the relay for the starter disable so I can remove and forget the the thing ever had it.

What was my wife thinking when she shut the engine off????

Thanks, Ryan

 

[hill]

ill take your users manual..... i have a remote, but no manual..and i cant set up the remote.

 

[Driley]

Bump... I talked Ryan into buying an 80 series - He was looking at 60/62 series - so I feel I need to make sure his FJ80 experience is a pleasant one.

I have not had any problems with the alarm system on my '94, but I will check the FSM to see what I can find.

Riley

 

[pufft]

alarm

I had an alarm on mine that did the same thing. I didn't know exactly how to remove it so I took it to a friend of mine that has a shop and he removed it for $100 bucks well worth not being surprised everytime I went to start it.

 

[Beowulf]

I have not had any problems with the alarm system on my '94, but I will check the FSM to see what I can find.

Don't waste your time Riley. All US Land Cruisers with alarm systems were installed at the port. None were "factory" alarms and you will not find any reference to the alarm in the FSM or the EWD.

-B-

 

[Driley]

So there you go Ryan. Just find a good stereo shop in your area and pay them to pull the alarm. I think it would be well worth the expense and you will have someone to blame if it gets screwed up !

Riley

 

[grizz737]

Thanks all. I'll focus my efforts on the turning the wrenches and leaving the wire cutting to the stereo shop.

 

[EricG]

So there you go Ryan. Just find a good stereo shop in your area and pay them to pull the alarm. I think it would be well worth the expense and you will have someone to blame if it gets screwed up !

Riley

Yep, that's what I did on mine - but they only charged me $30 IIRC

 

[gray]

Yep, that's what I did on mine - but they only charged me $30 IIRC

My port installed TVSS decided to shut my engine off at 4:30 pm
on Christmas eve while on an empty stretch of highway traveling at 60mph in upstate NY, and yes, it was snowing.

Long story short; it got towed to the dealer, sat at the local dealer
for a week; luckily for me, this dealer has some real no-kidding
tech college trained mechanics, that are very very good.
(Too bad I don't live there).

They pulled the main brain for the TVSS which is somewhere behind
the lower dash near your feet?; then they ran a wire from the ignition to the ?relays in the engine bay.

Good idea about taking it to a shop that installs them;
didn't know that was the problem when it died suddenly;
(I should say instantaneously; just shut off).

The dealer charged me $300 for the labor; it however cost me $400 for the Christmas eve car rental.

g

 

[EricG]

My port installed TVSS decided to shut my engine off at 4:30 pm
on Christmas eve while on an empty stretch of highway traveling at 60mph in upstate NY, and yes, it was snowing.

Long story short; it got towed to the dealer, sat at the local dealer
for a week; luckily for me, this dealer has some real no-kidding
tech college trained mechanics, that are very very good.
(Too bad I don't live there).

They pulled the main brain for the TVSS which is somewhere behind
the lower dash near your feet?; then they ran a wire from the ignition to the ?relays in the engine bay.

Good idea about taking it to a shop that installs them;
didn't know that was the problem when it died suddenly;
(I should say instantaneously; just shut off).

The dealer charged me $300 for the labor; it however cost me $400 for the Christmas eve car rental.

g

Ouch - glad I discovered mine while putting in a new battery a month or so after I bought it.

 

[Erratic]

My port installed TVSS decided to shut my engine off at 4:30 pm
on Christmas eve while on an empty stretch of highway traveling at 60mph in upstate NY, and yes, it was snowing.

Long story short; it got towed to the dealer, sat at the local dealer
for a week; luckily for me, this dealer has some real no-kidding
tech college trained mechanics, that are very very good.
(Too bad I don't live there).

They pulled the main brain for the TVSS which is somewhere behind
the lower dash near your feet?; then they ran a wire from the ignition to the ?relays in the engine bay.

Good idea about taking it to a shop that installs them;
didn't know that was the problem when it died suddenly;
(I should say instantaneously; just shut off).

The dealer charged me $300 for the labor; it however cost me $400 for the Christmas eve car rental.

g

If installed properly the port installed security system should not have the ability to stop an already running truck. It is a starter kill system only and would only prevent the motor from being started from a non running state. I suspect they did something else to your truck other than remove the alarm.

It is really easy to disable. The port installers use a plug and play harness (at least they did on mine) You just remove the lower dash and disconnect the plug from the IGN switch. Remove the alarm jumper and plug the factory harness back into the IGN switch. It's that easy. You don't need to completely remove it since this operation removes it's main power source.

 

[gray]

If installed properly the port installed security system should not have the ability to stop an already running truck. It is a starter kill system only and would only prevent the motor from being started from a non running state. I suspect they did something else to your truck other than remove the alarm.

It is really easy to disable. The port installers use a plug and play harness (at least they did on mine) You just remove the lower dash and disconnect the plug from the IGN switch. Remove the alarm jumper and plug the factory harness back into the IGN switch. It's that easy. You don't need to completely remove it since this operation removes it's main power source.

It killed it indirectly so to speak.

What apparently happened first is that the ciruit to one fuel injector
shorted; this was interpreted by the TVSS as someone trying to
hot-wire the ignition, so it shut it down,
or so I was told by the mechanics who troubleshot it.

I do know this; it died; just as if someone had turned the key
in the ignition, and, immediately, the horn started honking,
all at the same instant.

After I pulled over, I tried multiple times to restart it,
but as soon as I turned the key in the ignition, the horn would
honk, and the engine would not turn over.

I flipped the toggle switch on the kick-panel to see if maybe
it was in the wrong position, opened and closed all doors and
hatches and the hood to be sure they were all closed.

Nada;

The mechanics went into my harness and pulled out the one
bad wire, repaired it, and put my harness back together.
Saved me around $2000 by not telling me it needed a new harness
as many dealers would have done.

They did not have the repair manual, and it was the week between
Christmas and New Years, and they were covered up;
so they said they pulled out the TVSS and ran a wire to my ignition
to get me on the road. ie: that it might be able to fix it, but they
did not have the time or the manual to do it then.

I never messed with it after that experience.

Problem is finding someone who knows these systems and is
willing to fix it without charging you big bucks; seems like
everyone nowadays wants to make a days salary with one hour worth of labor. My rant for the day.

G

 

[grizz737]

Against most everybodies better judgement, my curiousity got the best of me Friday night and I had to figure the alarm out myself. Turns out, if you can fall off a log, you can remove the alarm system. I removed lower dash cover, kick panel, and sill trim. Unplug the jumper between the ignition plugs and reconnect. Remove two spliced ignition wires. Remove four more jumpers in the kick panel and ripe the nasty harness out. Less wires, less troubles.

 

[gray]

Against most everybodies better judgement, my curiousity got the best of me Friday night and I had to figure the alarm out myself. Turns out, if you can fall off a log, you can remove the alarm system. I removed lower dash cover, kick panel, and sill trim. Unplug the jumper between the ignition plugs and reconnect. Remove two spliced ignition wires. Remove four more jumpers in the kick panel and ripe the nasty harness out. Less wires, less troubles.

Got any photos of the procedure?
Or, how about recreating the procedure and taking photos for those of us who cannot fall off logs

g

 

[Brian Macgyver]

Agree with most of the above. I have bought a lot of used Japanese cars and trucks. The first thing that I do is search for an alarm of any kind and remove it. Most are installed by the $1 install/$1 dash fire types. I won't have a car that has been worked on by them! I throw the alarm in the trash where it belongs!
Alarms don't work anyway. Thieves know how to bypass them if they want to bad enough, and they can do it in a hurry. The last time you heard an alarm in a parking lot, did you call the Police? Neither did anyone else! There are so many alarms that nobody hears them anymore. They are just part of the city background noise!
Alarms mostly aggravate owners and mechanics. They do not deter thieves much at all.
When you remove it, be sure to solder and shrink-wrap any wires that have been cut to bring them back to original quality. Part of the problem with alarms is the quik-crimp connectors used that shake loose over time. You don't want to have any of those in your truck to give you trouble at the worst time. Everything that has been cut should be soldered back together.