AHC does large accumulator affect damping?

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Lexus informed me they could not continue the diagnostics without first replacing the large height control accumulator which is probably frozen. I agreed that it needs replacing but IMO it does not affect the ride quality that I would like diagnosed. I declined the repair. They returned the LX, topped off my almost empty gas tank for free, washed it, waived the diagnostic fee and offered to sell me the accumulator at the lowest price I have ever seen. Once the part is installed we could continue with the diagnostics. For the 3 weeks in the shop I was driving their loaner at no cost. I performed the damping control electrical resistance check testing each of the 4 wires to the damper. Using my craftsman professional meter I got a 10.5 Ohm reading for 1/2 second then 12.3. Not sure what that is about. Switch to my Fluke meter and got 12.6 to 13.2 ranges on all the 4 dampers. I am calling this a pass. Next I performed the Damping force controlling condition check. Here are the steps I used. 1)open the rear lower gate to gain leverage- pushing on the bumper is hard to measure 2)Tape a plastic ruler that reads mm to the handle of a floor jack and roll it up next to the lowered gate at the very rear corner - make sure there is at least 50mm down to read compression. 3)Jumper the DLC1 to get into diagnostic mode. 4)start vehicle in Normal height position 5)Press on lowered tail gate on drivers side and read how many mm travel down the dampers allow at the rear of the gate. 6)press the brake one time to move to the next highest step 7)repeat 16 times and get measurements The process takes about 10 minutes to perform. I weight about 170 lbs, here are my observations. steps and mm of compression step1-45 step2-45 step3-45 step4-45 step5-45 step6-45 step7-44 step8-43 step9-42 step10-42 step11-41 step12-40 starting here sinks to final position slower step13-40 step14-35 step15-27 starting here rebounds very slowly to 10mm step16-23 These finding match with my driving experience when I change the 4 position comfort selector switch, no noticeable difference on the first 3 positions and firmer on the 4th. The FSM states, "Bounce the vehicle and check that the shock absorber is becoming harder". I assume all 16 steps should increase in resistance. Can someone with an LX that has a comfort switch that works perform this test for comparison? much appreciated!
Thank you for the update and diagnostic results. I suspect the dealership is stumped and it's only reasonable that they would like the known defective height accumulator replaced before they continue their diagnostics. The resistances I measured for the four x four damping stepper motor coils ranged from 12.0 to 12.6 ohms, similar variance to what you measured. I'll have an opportunity to get some deflection measurements later in the week and we'll see how they compare. In the meantime I downloaded free app iseismo and will work on how an iPhone's accelerometer data can be harnessed to capture damping responses - not that there is anything wrong with a rule on a stick! It would be great to identify exactly what the root cause is for maintained AVS systems with no known defects to gradually "ride stiffer", it's been reported here for years and I haven't seen a definitive diagnosis and fix.

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Here are my findings in regards to the AHC riding harshly over small bumps: At least 3 of my 4 AHC dampeners failed and one was marginal.
Cause: excessive heat buildup due to fluid not changed in 91k miles and large height accumulator seizing up and vehicle operated in hot southern climate.
When the large accumulator works it serves to raise and lower the car when parking, as a side benefit circulates the oil out of the shocks and mixes with fresher fluid stored in the large height accumulator. My LX lived in the heat of the Texas, Louisiana and Georgia which I suspect contributed to the overheating. As far as i can tell the initial starting position for step one is not correct. This in effect keeps the small hole that the fluid passes thru closed too much at all the 16 settings. This is most likely an electrical issue since the stepper motor goes thru an initialization when the engine is started. I observed this several times with one old dampener plugged into the LX and dangling loose to observe the steps. The total movement from step 1 to 16 is approximately 1.5 mm. So a step is about 1/10 of a mm! How did I find this? Simple, replaced each part until the ride started improving. My ride was so bad that I would not keep the vehicle. If I had know they could fail, I would have replaced with a standard suspension- it is still hard to believe but I have the 4 old dampeners and took one apart - very expensive paperweight. They look indestructible and even with my dirty fluid had only a small sign of over heating. The most difficult design component to understand is that the total dampening is a combination of the AHC accumulators(gas globes) and the very small opening that the 16 step stepper motor opens and closes in the electronic dampeners. I had weak globes to start with(9.5 graduations) and out of spec dampers. When I replaced the globes the resistance increased enough to cause a harsh ride - feel all the small road bumps. I have read other posts where folks had the exact same experience with no resolution identified. Now that I have replace all 4 dampeners the ride is much smoother and I expect the ride to become ever smoother as the globes gas out and the graduations are no longer sitting at 14. I replaced in order - AHC fluid reservoir, front AHC shocks, 4 gas globes, rear upper/lower control arm, panhard bar, rear AHC shocks, rear dampeners, front dampeners. Each time I replaced a part, I drove over the same very rough road and noticed improvement in ride quality. I replaced the dampeners one at a time and noticed an increase in that floating feeling returning with each one. Now my LX rides fine, I will purge the gas out every 10k miles, watch the color of the fluid and replace at least every 30k. When it fails again goodbye. Shame on Lexus for not changing the AHC oil.
 
Wow, what a pain in the butt! What did it cost? I know for about $2k you can have the AHC totally removed and a OME 2" lift with the diff drop installed, parts and labor.
 
I had some problems with my AHC riding very harshly, tried changing the fluid and replacing springs/cranking torsion bars, but didn't want to get any deeper into it than that...after that didn't work, I decided to make the switch to standard setup. I bought new OME 865 rear springs, found some good clean used standard TLC torsion bars and new KYB shocks all around. Made the whole change by myself in the garage in about 8 hours on a Saturday. I am not very experienced mechanically, but got it all done and very happy with the results. Total cost was ~$600. Ended up with ~1.5" of lift so I didn't do a diff drop at this point. No leaking from cv boots so far, but I'll probably do a diff drop at some point in the future.


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Wow, what a pain in the butt! What did it cost? I know for about $2k you can have the AHC totally removed and a OME 2" lift with the diff drop installed, parts and labor.
The dampeners cost about 2k, the the globes about 1400 and the shocks 800 so total about 4200. I would have replaced the AHC had I known the issue was the dampeners. The real pain was really trying to understand what actually went wrong. There is not a lot of info about the system and the mechanic community is really not ready to assist on this one.
I really like the system and will keep it up as long as I can, i meets the needs of my family of 4 driving down the highway at 90 mph for days at a time in perfect comfort loaded with 800 lbs. When we travel in winter months, i do not worry about any weather conditions, the LX has excellent traction control, I raise it up to get thru snow when needed, and it handles ice like nothing is there. We had an ice storm and I drove my rear drive jeep on a patch of ice in a parking lot and to my shock almost got stuck, the LX handled the same spot as if it was dry pavement. It snowed in the Blue Ridge mountains the morning we were departing friends home and they said we should wait or take an alternate route. We left anyway and had no issues. The LX weight is distributed almost 50 percent front/50 rear to make it very stable and predictable. The traction control is remarkable. The AHC keeps the vehicle from nose diving when braking and from leaning too much in corners. Toyota in general and the 100 series properly maintained is IMO very reliable. I use the LX for over the road family vacations. We will drive to the grand canyon next month. It is very crash worthy since it sits up high and is heavy and has a reinforced headliner in case you roll over. When I think about all the traveling issues with safety, weather and reliability I just can not find another vehicle to buy. I just completed my 120k maintenance and everything on the vehicle works including the night vision.
 
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Expensive but you sound like a real hands on guy and enjoyed the experience and knowledge you gained, that's great. I'm lazy and when mine started to act up, I talked to the service manager and service advisor at my local Lexus dealer. They both have LX's and had replaced their AHC with OME, because of the cost to fix the AHC, they both said it could become a major $ drain. After talking to them I called Slee Off-road and had the OME installed. I wish I could buy a new LC with roll up widows :). I believe in keep it simple stupid approach, just hard to find it in today's vehicles. Looks like your going to be a great resource for others with AHC.
 
Shame on Lexus for not changing the AHC oil.

^What do you mean by this? I believe it's due every 30k miles in the maint. book.

Nice write up about your experience with the system. I sure do like the ride of mine, but it's down to about 7 gradations and harsh over bumps now.
 
^What do you mean by this? I believe it's due every 30k miles in the maint. book.

Nice write up about your experience with the system. I sure do like the ride of mine, but it's down to about 7 gradations and harsh over bumps now.
My LX was serviced at the dealer, plenty of records - no AHC fluid change ever done and fluid inspection confirms it. New oil is light pink, mine was black and lots of gas released when changing. If I had an LX and was not sure how old the fluid was, I would change it and start a log - it's your rig but fluid change is cheap and easy. I will inspect every 10k and replace when 30k or sooner. Even if the fluid looks OK, it contains lubricant additives to keep the shocks from leaking so fresh fluid is essential for long life.
 
^Was it the previous owner that didn't change it out then? Did it have a history of oil changes and no full factory recommended maintenances? I haven't heard of a dealer that wouldn't recommend gravy work like that to an owner.
 
Here are my findings in regards to the AHC riding harshly over small bumps: At least 3 of my 4 AHC dampeners failed and one was marginal.
Cause: excessive heat buildup due to fluid not changed in 91k miles and large height accumulator seizing up and vehicle operated in hot southern climate.
When the large accumulator works it serves to raise and lower the car when parking, as a side benefit circulates the oil out of the shocks and mixes with fresher fluid stored in the large height accumulator. My LX lived in the heat of the Texas, Louisiana and Georgia which I suspect contributed to the overheating. As far as i can tell the initial starting position for step one is not correct. This in effect keeps the small hole that the fluid passes thru closed too much at all the 16 settings. This is most likely an electrical issue since the stepper motor goes thru an initialization when the engine is started. I observed this several times with one old dampener plugged into the LX and dangling loose to observe the steps. The total movement from step 1 to 16 is approximately 1.5 mm. So a step is about 1/10 of a mm! How did I find this? Simple, replaced each part until the ride started improving. My ride was so bad that I would not keep the vehicle. If I had know they could fail, I would have replaced with a standard suspension- it is still hard to believe but I have the 4 old dampeners and took one apart - very expensive paperweight. They look indestructible and even with my dirty fluid had only a small sign of over heating. The most difficult design component to understand is that the total dampening is a combination of the AHC accumulators(gas globes) and the very small opening that the 16 step stepper motor opens and closes in the electronic dampeners. I had weak globes to start with(9.5 graduations) and out of spec dampers. When I replaced the globes the resistance increased enough to cause a harsh ride - feel all the small road bumps. I have read other posts where folks had the exact same experience with no resolution identified. Now that I have replace all 4 dampeners the ride is much smoother and I expect the ride to become ever smoother as the globes gas out and the graduations are no longer sitting at 14. I replaced in order - AHC fluid reservoir, front AHC shocks, 4 gas globes, rear upper/lower control arm, panhard bar, rear AHC shocks, rear dampeners, front dampeners. Each time I replaced a part, I drove over the same very rough road and noticed improvement in ride quality. I replaced the dampeners one at a time and noticed an increase in that floating feeling returning with each one. Now my LX rides fine, I will purge the gas out every 10k miles, watch the color of the fluid and replace at least every 30k. When it fails again goodbye. Shame on Lexus for not changing the AHC oil.


I seem to be having the same problem as you. Replaced the AHC accumulators (gas globes), shocks, control arms etc. Any no luck with the comfort level. I still haven't replaced the "electronic dampeners". Could you pls tell me what these are.. part number / diagram.
Thanks.
 
I seem to be having the same problem as you. Replaced the AHC accumulators (gas globes), shocks, control arms etc. Any no luck with the comfort level. I still haven't replaced the "electronic dampeners". Could you pls tell me what these are.. part number / diagram.
Thanks.
Please see post #4 in your other thread, electronic dampeners = damping force actuators.


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I feel for you, you've worked this issue pretty hard! Your fault finding and elimination points to the four control dampers not stepping thorough their four positions, they have four position stepper motors that shuttle the damping control valves through their 16 positions. Easy to check and clean the four position switch, it pops out, it has a three finger slider that contacts PCB tracks. I pulled mine, degreased the contact surfaces and cleaned them up with an eraser. 10 minute job, someone posted on the UK TLOC site that cleaning these contacts fixed their issue. Worth a shot.

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How to pop this out? Thanks
 
How to pop this out? Thanks
How to pop out the damping control switch? If you pop out the whole panel first, it's easy. The panel can be lifted straight up, held by 4 clips. Read the FSM. (RTFM :) )
 

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