A/T tire help

[wiggity]

Hey guys, so it’s about that time to replace my tires and I need some input. I’m currently running 275/65/18 GY Wrangler Adventure with Kevlar. These tires are six years old and have aged quite roughly. I’ve only had my LC200 since 2019 and I’ve put on 25k miles

I’m torn between getting stock size 285/60 BFG KO2, Michelin LTX AT2, Yokohama Geolandar G015 AT or Cooper Discovery. I typically do city/highway driving, but I plan to start dabbling into some mild off-roading. Nothing too crazy. I’m fixing to pull the trigger on the Yoko G015 because of their good reviews, mid price point and subtle look. An aggressive look isn’t that important to me, as opposed to longer tread life, comfort and responsiveness. Any personal recommendations?

 

[Reckless]

I have BFG KO2 and michelins on my 200 and 100. I love the super aggressive look of the KO2s and it can handle mild offroading. Street wise Michelin is much better for comfort and speed - Also, better on snow and ice in long run (but useless offroad). Don't know anything about yokos, had some cooper model on my 200 first which were a low resistance tire which was decent but I like the michelins better.

I am usually torn about tires every time I get a new set. Have been a michelin man all my life. The KO2s are not too far behind but are good at everything whereas michelin is excellent for highway/mud/snow. My review may be affected by different wheel sizes, my KO2s are on 17" wheel, Michelins on 16" (100), Coopers was on 18"(200). I went KO2 DT (Different Tread) last time which were not snow rated like KO2, a little worse in snow/ice but have lasted 70k and may make it to 100k, whereas regular KO2s would barely last me 40k and would be missing chunks thereby screwing my brakes. My michelins have last 70k so far.

 

[wiggity]

I have BFG KO2 and michelins on my 200 and 100. I love the super aggressive look of the KO2s and it can handle mild offroading. Street wise Michelin is much better for comfort and speed - Also, better on snow and ice in long run (but useless offroad). Don't know anything about yokos, had some cooper model on my 200 first which were a low resistance tire which was decent but I like the michelins better.

I am usually torn about tires every time I get a new set. Have been a michelin man all my life. The KO2s are not too far behind but are good at everything whereas michelin is excellent for highway/mud/snow. My review may be affected by different wheel sizes, my KO2s are on 17" wheel, Michelins on 16" (100), Coopers was on 18"(200). I went KO2 DT (Different Tread) last time which were not snow rated like KO2, a little worse in snow/ice but have lasted 70k and may make it to 100k, whereas regular KO2s would barely last me 40k and would be missing chunks thereby screwing my brakes. My michelins have last 70k so far.

Thanks for your reply man. I’m definitely a Michelin fan as well. So I should probably steer clear of the regular KO2s then. We’re you running the LTX/MS or the LTX/AT2 on your 100 series?

 

[JOFS]

I have the Yokohama GO15 ats on one on my 200s and Michelin at2s on the other (except this time of year where I have my winter nokians on)
Always impressed with the tread life on the Michelin’s. Both ride well and do everything I need.
the Yokos are fairly new but just did very well on a trip from Maine to Colorado where we came across a mix of road conditions and did well on some not maintained roads that were used for camping spots.
I think you will be happy with either of those tires. Folks have lots of other opinions and their favorites. It these are working for me.
John

 

[Whiskerz]

I am curious to hear about the Yokohama tires since they are a recent choice. I went with K02's on my 200 and had LTX/ms on my F-150. The Michelin is great at everything that is not off road. It loaded up easily with mud wore like iron and was quiet and great in the rain. They were still on the truck when I sold it

 

[Madtiger]

I have KO2 in the size you’re looking at...285/60/18 Load Range D. So far, at 23k miles, they are great. KO2 in my size have been quiet and ride is pretty good. No issue with chunking nor rain/wet...at the current mileage.

But I am off-roading less and less these days. I will see how well these KO2s age. IF i am happy with them for another 20k miles, then i will get KO2s again. IF not, then i will probably (99%) get Michelin Defender 285/6018 XL. IMHO, they are superior to AT2. They are just as tough and given that it is “XL” rated, they may be even tougher than average P-metric tires. And they are literally featherweight at 39 lbs!

 

[runtherabbit]

I know they are not on your list, but I have a 2018 TLC with Toyo AT3s (275 65 R18 or 32" diameter) with black side walls. Unlifted, (unlike my previous TLCs) because I now tow more boats and do less offroad. Look great and they are really terrific performers on road, snow and rain. My fourth set of Toyo ATs (AT2s up until the 3s came out). You may want to add them to the list. Open Country A/T III | The All-Terrain Tires for Trucks, SUVs and CUVs | Toyo Tires

 

[Pfred]

Have approx 100K on a set of Michelin LTX’s (285/65/18). They are now cracking and need replacement. Decent snow and ice traction.

 

[gaijin]

Hey guys, so it’s about that time to replace my tires and I need some input. I’m currently running 275/65/18 GY Wrangler Adventure with Kevlar. These tires are six years old and have aged quite roughly. I’ve only had my LC200 since 2019 and I’ve put on 25k miles

I’m torn between getting stock size 285/60 BFG KO2, Michelin LTX AT2, Yokohama Geolandar G015 AT or Cooper Discovery. I typically do city/highway driving, but I plan to start dabbling into some mild off-roading. Nothing too crazy. I’m fixing to pull the trigger on the Yoko G015 because of their good reviews, mid price point and subtle look. An aggressive look isn’t that important to me, as opposed to longer tread life, comfort and responsiveness. Any personal recommendations?

It's a little difficult to understand what your suggested choices are, and what direction you want to go in.

You say your current tires, the Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar, are the ISO-Metric 275/65R18 116T SL with a RCTIP (Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure) of 33psi on your LC200. Or did you really mean the LT-Metric size LT275/65R18 113S Load Range C tires which would have a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200?

The "stock size" is 285/60R18 with a RCTIP of 33psi, so not all those tires you suggested are available in the stock size:

- BFG KO2's are not available in the stock size, but are available in LT-Metric LT285/60R18 and would have a RCTIP of 46psi on your LC200
- Michelin LTX A/T2 tires are not available in the stock size, but are available in P-Metric P275/65R18 114T with a RCTIP of 33psi and LT-Metric LT275/65R18 123/120R Load Range E with a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200
- Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 is available in ISO-Metric 285/60R18 116H SL with a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200

And by "Cooper Discovery" I assume you mean a tire in the Cooper Discoverer line of tires. The only one I could quickly find in either your current or stock size is the Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S All-Terrain which is available in ISO-Metric size 275/65R18 116T SL which would have a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200.

So, I guess it would help a lot if you could clarify whether you are looking for an LT-Metric tire with a higher tire pressure, or an ISO-Metric or P-Metric tire with a much lower tire pressure - and if you want to stay with some variation of 285/60R18, want to stick with a variation of 275/65R18, or would be open to some variation of another size like 285/65R18.

HTH

 

[Reckless]

Thanks for your reply man. I’m definitely a Michelin fan as well. So I should probably steer clear of the regular KO2s then. We’re you running the LTX/MS or the LTX/AT2 on your 100 series?

LTX/MS

 

[wiggity]

It's a little difficult to understand what your suggested choices are, and what direction you want to go in.

You say your current tires, the Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar, are the ISO-Metric 275/65R18 116T SL with a RCTIP (Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure) of 33psi on your LC200. Or did you really mean the LT-Metric size LT275/65R18 113S Load Range C tires which would have a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200?

The "stock size" is 285/60R18 with a RCTIP of 33psi, so not all those tires you suggested are available in the stock size:

- BFG KO2's are not available in the stock size, but are available in LT-Metric LT285/60R18 and would have a RCTIP of 46psi on your LC200
- Michelin LTX A/T2 tires are not available in the stock size, but are available in P-Metric P275/65R18 114T with a RCTIP of 33psi and LT-Metric LT275/65R18 123/120R Load Range E with a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200
- Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 is available in ISO-Metric 285/60R18 116H SL with a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200

And by "Cooper Discovery" I assume you mean a tire in the Cooper Discoverer line of tires. The only one I could quickly find in either your current or stock size is the Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S All-Terrain which is available in ISO-Metric size 275/65R18 116T SL which would have a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200.

So, I guess it would help a lot if you could clarify whether you are looking for an LT-Metric tire with a higher tire pressure, or an ISO-Metric or P-Metric tire with a much lower tire pressure - and if you want to stay with some variation of 285/60R18, want to stick with a variation of 275/65R18, or would be open to some variation of another size like 285/65R18.

Sorry for the confusion. I currently have the GY Adventure with Kevlar with 116T at 33

HTH

I have the Yokohama GO15 ats on one on my 200s and Michelin at2s on the other (except this time of year where I have my winter nokians on)
Always impressed with the tread life on the Michelin’s. Both ride well and do everything I need.
the Yokos are fairly new but just did very well on a trip from Maine to Colorado where we came across a mix of road conditions and did well on some not maintained roads that were used for camping spots.
I think you will be happy with either of those tires. Folks have lots of other opinions and their favorites. It these are working for me.
John
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I have the Yokohama GO15 ats on one on my 200s and Michelin at2s on the other (except this time of year where I have my winter nokians on)
Always impressed with the tread life on the Michelin’s. Both ride well and do everything I need.
the Yokos are fairly new but just did very well on a trip from Maine to Colorado where we came across a mix of road conditions and did well on some not maintained roads that were used for camping spots.
I think you will be happy with either of those tires. Folks have lots of other opinions and their favorites. It these are working for me.
John

I'm certainly leaning towards the Yokos. I've always been a huge fan of Michelin, but I'm just trying to venture out and try something different. Thanks for your input John.

 

[wiggity]

It's a little difficult to understand what your suggested choices are, and what direction you want to go in.

You say your current tires, the Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar, are the ISO-Metric 275/65R18 116T SL with a RCTIP (Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure) of 33psi on your LC200. Or did you really mean the LT-Metric size LT275/65R18 113S Load Range C tires which would have a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200?

The "stock size" is 285/60R18 with a RCTIP of 33psi, so not all those tires you suggested are available in the stock size:

- BFG KO2's are not available in the stock size, but are available in LT-Metric LT285/60R18 and would have a RCTIP of 46psi on your LC200
- Michelin LTX A/T2 tires are not available in the stock size, but are available in P-Metric P275/65R18 114T with a RCTIP of 33psi and LT-Metric LT275/65R18 123/120R Load Range E with a RCTIP of 45psi on your LC200
- Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 is available in ISO-Metric 285/60R18 116H SL with a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200

And by "Cooper Discovery" I assume you mean a tire in the Cooper Discoverer line of tires. The only one I could quickly find in either your current or stock size is the Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S All-Terrain which is available in ISO-Metric size 275/65R18 116T SL which would have a RCTIP of 33psi on your LC200.

So, I guess it would help a lot if you could clarify whether you are looking for an LT-Metric tire with a higher tire pressure, or an ISO-Metric or P-Metric tire with a much lower tire pressure - and if you want to stay with some variation of 285/60R18, want to stick with a variation of 275/65R18, or would be open to some variation of another size like 285/65R18.

HTH

Yes, that's correct I'm running the GY Wranglers 116T w/RCTIP of 33psi. I'm honestly leaning towards an ISO metric tire over an LT tire. I'm in Texas, so I mostly just deal with rain and ice.

I'm aware that there's only like a handful of tires available in the stock size, so I'll probably just go with a taller/more narrow tire. Thank you for taking the time to research all of this man.

 

[stonepa]

Big fan of both the General ATX and the Michelin Defender in stock sizes. Really depends on your mix of highway versus offroad.

 

[RT Cruiser]

I put on the Yokohama A/T G015 tires Feb 2020. For the price and value, they've been outstanding. I'm getting 18-22 mpg highway, great in the rain and in the dirt, decent in snow and mud. Good-enough for most CO 4x4 trails. Best of all, they are VERY quiet. I can't hear any tire noise and this includes when I have the sound system turned off. They've worn very evenly - I've been rotating them every 4k miles. I used to buy Michelins (other vehicles) but stopped because the line I was getting was a soft tire and wore quickly. If you're in Colorado, Discount Tire is the best - free rotation and balancing anytime with purchase. When we got the rig in June 2010, it had Cooper Discovery tires. They were horrible in the rain and on the trail. When I had to quickly downshift on a highway during a rain storm due to those tires losing grip, it was the last straw. The Yoko's replaced them and I've been very happy.

 

[Madtiger]

I put on the Yokohama A/T G015 tires Feb 2020. For the price and value, they've been outstanding. I'm getting 18-22 mpg highway, great in the rain and in the dirt, decent in snow and mud. Good-enough for most CO 4x4 trails. Best of all, they are VERY quiet. I can't hear any tire noise and this includes when I have the sound system turned off. They've worn very evenly - I've been rotating them every 4k miles. I used to buy Michelins (other vehicles) but stopped because the line I was getting was a soft tire and wore quickly. If you're in Colorado, Discount Tire is the best - free rotation and balancing anytime with purchase. When we got the rig in June 2010, it had Cooper Discovery tires. They were horrible in the rain and on the trail. When I had to quickly downshift on a highway during a rain storm due to those tires losing grip, it was the last straw. The Yoko's replaced them and I've been very happy.

Now, this tire i am also very intersted in. I love Yokohama! Is your tire LT or P-metric? What size?

It is an old tire but very trustworthy. When i was in a small town in TX once, all i saw was Yoko G015 on every Ford and Chevy trucks!

It is interesting that you found good mileage…in a comparo with other AT tires, TireRack found that the Yoko G015 P-metric had pretty bad fuel economy (worst than LT-KO2!). But i would not mind trying Yoko G015 in LT…they look pretty good.

 

[RT Cruiser]

Now, this tire i am also very intersted in. I love Yokohama! Is your tire LT or P-metric? What size?

It is an old tire but very trustworthy. When i was in a small town in TX once, all i saw was Yoko G015 on every Ford and Chevy trucks!

It is interesting that you found good mileage…in a comparo with other AT tires, TireRack found that the Yoko G015 P-metric had pretty bad fuel economy (worst than LT-KO2!). But i would not mind trying Yoko G015 in LT…they look pretty good.

LT 265 / 60-R18

They've been great tires for us. They should take the rig 50k-60k miles. This A/T will not compete with KO2's, Grappler's, etc. But for me it's good enough for the trails. I did a ton of trails last summer around Ouray with zero issues except only once. We were eastbound going down Hurricane Pass. It was steep, loose small rock, and the snow-melt created a nice small stream in the road. I had to go very slowly. The few times the gravel gave way the rig slid only 1 foot or less. If we had KO2's or similar, it would've been a smoother descent. But out of all those trails that week, that was the only issue.

Great mpg. Again, they are quiet. It's not a soft tire so there's good feedback in corners and over bumps. For highway driving I rarely exceed posted limits more than 5mph, and I accelerate slowly keeping the rpm around 2k. A good way to support the life of your tires is to take turns with adequate or slow speeds, no harsh acceleration, proper inflation, and rotate every 3k-6k miles.

 

[rscoleman]

I am running the following Nitto Terra Grappler G2 285/60/R18 120S XL. They replaced factory tires. I have about 7000 miles on them so far. Things I have noticed so far. If I have radio off I can hear tires on pavement, especially concrete, asphalt not as much. With 120 load rating they are only marginally stiffer than factory and ride quite well. I try to keep them at 38lbs cold which results in 40 to 41 lb driving temp. They do well pulling my boat with only about +1 lb increase for minimal tongue weight. They handled Austin snow and ice apocalypse quite well. Time will tell they are supposed to be 50 to 60K mile tire. I have not done any off road in them yet but they get me out of boat launches with zero fan fair. Good luck in you hunt.

 

[Samuraj]

nitto are loud , michelin are quiet , simple as this ......

 

[Madtiger]

I am running the following Nitto Terra Grappler G2 285/60/R18 120S XL. They replaced factory tires. I have about 7000 miles on them so far. Things I have noticed so far. If I have radio off I can hear tires on pavement, especially concrete, asphalt not as much. With 120 load rating they are only marginally stiffer than factory and ride quite well. I try to keep them at 38lbs cold which results in 40 to 41 lb driving temp. They do well pulling my boat with only about +1 lb increase for minimal tongue weight. They handled Austin snow and ice apocalypse quite well. Time will tell they are supposed to be 50 to 60K mile tire. I have not done any off road in them yet but they get me out of boat launches with zero fan fair. Good luck in you hunt.

I think that you’re over inflated…you probably need 33 psi?? Paging @gaijin

 

[Madtiger]

LT 265 / 60-R18

They've been great tires for us. They should take the rig 50k-60k miles. This A/T will not compete with KO2's, Grappler's, etc. But for me it's good enough for the trails. I did a ton of trails last summer around Ouray with zero issues except only once. We were eastbound going down Hurricane Pass. It was steep, loose small rock, and the snow-melt created a nice small stream in the road. I had to go very slowly. The few times the gravel gave way the rig slid only 1 foot or less. If we had KO2's or similar, it would've been a smoother descent. But out of all those trails that week, that was the only issue.

Great mpg. Again, they are quiet. It's not a soft tire so there's good feedback in corners and over bumps. For highway driving I rarely exceed posted limits more than 5mph, and I accelerate slowly keeping the rpm around 2k. A good way to support the life of your tires is to take turns with adequate or slow speeds, no harsh acceleration, proper inflation, and rotate every 3k-6k miles.

So, you have LC200…and you run 265 / 60 / 18???