80 vs BMW

[fj803fe]

A well-thought-out counterargument as usual, fj803fe.

Not an argument by any means. Just can't believe we/you can harp on the guy as if blameless of "slips" here and there. So what, ARBs are a bit safer-its true. If your argument holds water than NO ONE should buy an ARB, simple as that.

We are ALL at fault of not paying attention for a moment, even if one were to be the safest driver on the road-that person has done it (not payed attention at some point). If one were to say one has NEVER had a point where one lost concentration, looked to the left, looked down, had ones mind in the clouds while driving, etc, etc, etc-even for a split second, I would venture to say that individual was lying, or ignorant to the instances it has occured.

They were given the name "accidents" for a reason. With that in mind-who should throw the first stone?

But I did somehow forget that your arguments are paramount

So in retrospect, I will stay with my original thought

No, i agree, we all have our moments of distraction while driving, but installing an ARB so you can play with your ipod or check your email on your PDA or make a phone call is kinda rediculous.

Not quite sure, but I somehow think that this is FAR beyond the actual purpose and drive for the ARB purchase above...

 

[GeoRoss]

They were given the name "accidents" for a reason.

Not a flame, but a perspective on accidents. An former advisor in school had a couple of bumper stickers in his office. One he quoted often was "Accidents don't happen, there're caused". Although he meant it at as a joke mostly, his point was that often accidents happen due to someone' action/inaction.

In the case of a rear end accidents, I was told by an officer doing the call on the 'accident' I was involved in that the only time you are not responsible when you rear end someone is if they are in reverse. So when rear end accidents occur, it is usually because of an unsafe distance or not paying attention. Those accidents don't happen, they are caused .

Cheers,

Ross

 

[fj803fe]

Not a flame, but a perspective on accidents. An former advisor in school had a couple of bumper stickers in his office. One he quoted often was "Accidents don't happen, there're caused". Although he meant it at as a joke mostly, his point was that often accidents happen due to someone' action/inaction.

In the case of a rear end accidents, I was told by an officer doing the call on the 'accident' I was involved in that the only time you are not responsible when you rear end someone is if they are in reverse. So when rear end accidents occur, it is usually because of an unsafe distance or not paying attention. Those accidents don't happen, they are caused .

Cheers,

Ross

All of this goes without saying, but the point yet remains. In fact, unless a pretty damn good story is told and there are witnesses-if you have damage anywhere ahead of your front tires-you are likely the one at fault-regardless of direction. So say you are in a northbound turn lane at an intersection--turning west, a vehicle in the southbound lane (to leap traffic) turns into the southbound turn lane, but continues south/straight immediately ahead of your left/west turn ?... yeah-ya T-boned him, your fault. Apparently, from a past experience not of my own, it also doesn't matter the speed of the vehicle illegally passing.

With my old 40, after some years of falling into the poor hands of cancer, I would beg...no, no, no...be on the lookout for a situation to get T-boned

But I know that past, semi-conscience hope will be construed as some sort of menacing threat to societies welfare and safety by some.

 

[ace10]

Not a flame, but a perspective on accidents. An former advisor in school had a couple of bumper stickers in his office. One he quoted often was "Accidents don't happen, there're caused". Although he meant it at as a joke mostly, his point was that often accidents happen due to someone' action/inaction.

In the case of a rear end accidents, I was told by an officer doing the call on the 'accident' I was involved in that the only time you are not responsible when you rear end someone is if they are in reverse. So when rear end accidents occur, it is usually because of an unsafe distance or not paying attention. Those accidents don't happen, they are caused .

Cheers,

Ross

ever heard of a "swoop and squat?"

it's a rear ender intentionally caused by the rear-end "victim." been there, done that. if you're lucky enough to get a smart cop responding to the scene and he's able to figure it out, then all is well. if not, then you're really screwed.

so no, not all rear-enders are the fault of the hitter.

 

[TomH]

$5 bucks says that along with steering linkage issues you have some side sway in the front frame rails, I would definitely have a shop at the very least do a full measure of the frame. when you talk to the insurance a-hole (hey I can call them that im one of them) make sure they include this on their estimate.
Dave

Dave

You called it on the frame. Just got off the phone with the body shop and they said "a little sway and a little elevation".

Tom

 

[alaskacruiser]

Not an argument by any means. Just can't believe we/you can harp on the guy as if blameless of "slips" here and there. So what, ARBs are a bit safer-its true. If your argument holds water than NO ONE should buy an ARB, simple as that.

But I did somehow forget that your arguments are paramount

So in retrospect, I will stay with my original thought

Not quite sure, but I somehow think that this is FAR beyond the actual purpose and drive for the ARB purchase above...

Sorry, but when I see a post that essentially says "Oh man, I almost got in an accident because I was distracted by my cellphone. Boy do I need an ARB." it raises a red flag. It sounds like that is a major reason for purchasing the ARB. If you ask me, being distracted by a mobile device while driving is on the same level as women applying makeup with Starbucks in the other hand- not smart, and perfectly avoidable.

Buying an ARB to protect yourself from other drivers while driving defensively is one thing, posting that you almost got into an accident because you were distracted by your cellphone so you need an ARB is something else.

 

[Romanknight]

On a previous truck, a bull bar and front receiver hitch bumper saved me a few grand, either out of my own pocket or in higher insurance premiums, besides the damage to the other car.
The issue is not "Whose fault was it?", but how to minimize damage to my truck -in extreme cases, save my skin at the expense of twisted metal. It's not so good for the other car, but I take the chance that most accidents will not be my fault, which "happened" to be my past experience.

 

[GeoRoss]

ever heard of a "swoop and squat?"

it's a rear ender intentionally caused by the rear-end "victim." been there, done that. if you're lucky enough to get a smart cop responding to the scene and he's able to figure it out, then all is well. if not, then you're really screwed.

so no, not all rear-enders are the fault of the hitter.

I have heard of this, but cannot understand how it happens if you are a safe distance from the vehicle in front of you and you are paying attention. So I will clarify, 99.9% of rear end accidents are due to insufficient distance and lack of attention.

 

[ace10]

a vehicle in another lane travelling in the same direction as you then "swoops" into your lane (with little or no space) and immediately brakes hard (not full lock-up) and creates the rear-ender. usually there are a bunch of folks in the "victims" car. and they all have neck injuries. safe following distance and attentiveness can't escape this situation.

police around here know it when they see it, and i'm sure that it's quite common. pity the real victim who's insurance gets cancelled as a result of this insurance fraud.