80 series anti squeal shims and inner anti squeal shims? (1 Viewer)

[landcruiser3DP]

i ordered from ourisman and some od their parts don't have pictures but i thought i ordered anti squeal shims because someone told me to but what i got it this kit of silver little pieces in my magnetic bowl here.
and i'm looking at charm dot io pages and they have these two pairs of sorts for the brakes?
do i need these? what are the small silver parts? do i use these? it doesn't look like the pads that came off had something in them? or maybe they do and i reuse those?
lastly are there any good front or rear brake videos aside from the one otramm has?

 

[robnicko]

these are what you are in need of for the front pads, looks like theyre on the old pads your holding in the pic. Just clean em up & reuse

 

[ZackR]

The silver pieces clip onto the caliper and pads. Mine are NAPA not OEM so they will be a bit different.

 

[hcelestina]

This is the good stuff.Keep it coming.

 

[jonheld]

FROM THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL:

The 8 small pieces are for the REAR BRAKE CALIPERS. They keep the pads in place. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED PAD SUPPORT PLATES AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL.

FROM THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL:

The FRONT BRAKE PADS anti squeal shims are below. The solid piece goes against the pistons, the slotted piece goes against the pad backing.
AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL.

The REAR BRAKE PAD anti squeal shims and wear sensors are below.
AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL

 

[landcruiser3DP]

these are what you are in need of for the front pads, looks like theyre on the old pads your holding in the pic. Just clean em up & reuse
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man. thanks a ton for that. i got hung up on it. just for the other fellas am i correct in thinking these are shown in the charm dot io manual but not in FSM. also i wouldn't mind getting part numbers for them at some point.
i tried pretty hard to get this list together but those seem to have tripped me up i guess.

 

[landcruiser3DP]

The silver pieces clip onto the caliper and pads. Mine are NAPA not OEM so they will be a bit different.View attachment 3688117View attachment 3688118View attachment 3688120

hey zack. thanks for this. i was going to try to keep it going today and honestly was going to start on rears but ran into a stuck rear wheel stud and couldn't find my socket adapters for the makita impact so started on front.
are you on the rears here?
like i am having a hard time but i guess this would make sense? i have 8 of these clips and they kind of clip - well 4 pairs of two times onto the brake pads to hold them to the caliper is that it?
or wait one of your pics shows a front anti squeal shim?

 

[landcruiser3DP]

FROM THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL:
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The 8 small pieces are for the REAR BRAKE CALIPERS. They keep the pads in place. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED PAD SUPPORT PLATES AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL.
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FROM THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL:
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The FRONT BRAKE PADS anti squeal shims are below. The solid piece goes against the pistons, the slotted piece goes against the pad backing.
AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL.
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The REAR BRAKE PAD anti squeal shims and wear sensors are below.
AS SHOWN IN THE TOYOTA FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL
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i see. so front should come off with a backing plate and an inner backing plate (2X "anti squeal") and rears have one backing plate but get "wear sensors" and they get those 2X each?
also what are the things called that are built into the pads?
also can i reuse whatever came off i guess for backing plates?

 

[landcruiser3DP]

This is the good stuff.Keep it coming.

thanks. that kind of comment always helps on here i think. some folks i think forget what noob status is all about. but if you dig far enough back on here we were all asking the same questions at one point or another...

 

[jonheld]

am i correct in thinking these are shown in the charm dot io manual but not in FSM.

When you make statements like this, I have to wonder if you actually look at the FSM. I posted the page from the FSM with the front anti-squeal shims shown.

 

[ZackR]

I'd focus on the front or the back, don't tear into both at the same time. My photos were for the rear.

As mentioned the FSM has it shown pretty clearly so start there. Also be sure to torque the caliper bolts to spec.

 

[landcruiser3DP]

When you make statements like this, I have to wonder if you actually look at the FSM. I posted the page from the FSM with the front anti-squeal shims shown.

yeah. when you make statements like that i think you don't appreciate what it's like to try to learn something. not everyone is going to pick up all the data in the FSM every time and with total retention.
also why should anyone remember it in totality.
now if you can point to a list of parts in here - say in the FAQ - that includes these part numbers and description of them for front and rear brake jobs then we are cooking. then i could legit say i missed ordering a part that should have been easy to order because there is a list.
why whinge about whether there is a pic in the FSM i happened to miss. or that i am asking about. or there are parts in a pic i missed. who cares? also why would it matter if i missed the pic? i'm trying to get parts ordered. how would the FSM have helped? i already said ourisman doesn't have pics of these parts so it was hard to figure it out. what's there to miss?

 

[landcruiser3DP]

I'd focus on the front or the back, don't tear into both at the same time. My photos were for the rear.

As mentioned the FSM has it shown pretty clearly so start there. Also be sure to torque the caliper bolts to spec.

yeah the FSM is not great in a lot of ways. i'm happy to discuss it but i think it's hard to understand what it's like to try to do a job with the given resources if you've already done the job.
some folks get this and some don't.
anyway do you know if i am good to go with this part alone? seems just one plate came off my old pads.
THANKS as always...

 

[landcruiser3DP]

I'd focus on the front or the back, don't tear into both at the same time. My photos were for the rear.

As mentioned the FSM has it shown pretty clearly so start there. Also be sure to torque the caliper bolts to spec.

hey zack. also do you know what this stuff is and where it goes please? like am i applying something to the back of the pads on install? i get there is an fsm and i have access to it among other resources. i'm mostly asking to make sure i understand anything don't already understand from looking at the fsm if that makes sense!

 

[landcruiser3DP]

these are what you are in need of for the front pads, looks like theyre on the old pads your holding in the pic. Just clean em up & reuse
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hey man. thanks for this. looks like i just got the solid shim in my old pads and dropped it in the ultrasonic. actually i guess i need to find 4 of them. anyway i assume i can get by without the inner they are showing here?

 

[landcruiser3DP]

I'd focus on the front or the back, don't tear into both at the same time. My photos were for the rear.

As mentioned the FSM has it shown pretty clearly so start there. Also be sure to torque the caliper bolts to spec.

thanks again zack.
i guess the issue seems to be i'm on the fronts but ourisman has just "anti squeal shims" listed with no pics.
so i have the parts thinking i got what i needed but only for the rears and i missed ordering the fronts.
so i'm showing you the rear shims while working on the front in part is what seems to be going on...

 

[Rusty Marlin]

* If you spend time off road:
Every other tire rotation, pull one at a time, wipe off the old and slather them up good and run them back in.
This is one of those things that's not mentioned in the manual, but your truck will stop so much better if the piston isn't fighting crusty guide pins.

 

[jonheld]

yeah. when you make statements like that i think you don't appreciate what it's like to try to learn something. not everyone is going to pick up all the data in the FSM every time and with total retention.
also why should anyone remember it in totality.
now if you can point to a list of parts in here - say in the FAQ - that includes these part numbers and description of them for front and rear brake jobs then we are cooking. then i could legit say i missed ordering a part that should have been easy to order because there is a list.
why whinge about whether there is a pic in the FSM i happened to miss. or that i am asking about. or there are parts in a pic i missed. who cares? also why would it matter if i missed the pic? i'm trying to get parts ordered. how would the FSM have helped? i already said ourisman doesn't have pics of these parts so it was hard to figure it out. what's there to miss?

The point of having a service manual of any kind is that you don't have to "pick up all the data every time and with total retention and remember it in totality."
It is a reference document. That means when you have a question, you refer to the reference document. You don't have to memorize anything. You just have to read it when you have a question. That's how manuals work. The exact same way that you refer to the other sources.

And how long are you going to be playing the "newbie" card? You've been a member here for 7 years and you've been told to refer to the FSM for almost every single question you've asked over that time. I have no issues helping anyone, but your constant refusal to consult the ONE SINGLE DOCUMENT THAT CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION ON EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM ON THE VEHICLE is maddening.
We all need help from time to time especially with some minutiae that is occasionally overlooked, and I have no problem with that, but read the freakin' book first.

 

[landcruiser3DP]

The point of having a service manual of any kind is that you don't have to "pick up all the data every time and with total retention and remember it in totality."
It is a reference document. That means when you have a question, you refer to the reference document. You don't have to memorize anything. You just have to read it when you have a question. That's how manuals work. The exact same way that you refer to the other sources.

And how long are you going to be playing the "newbie" card? You've been a member here for 7 years and you've been told to refer to the FSM for almost every single question you've asked over that time. I have no issues helping anyone, but your constant refusal to consult the ONE SINGLE DOCUMENT THAT CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION ON EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM ON THE VEHICLE is maddening.
We all need help from time to time especially with some minutiae that is occasionally overlooked, and I have no problem with that, but read the freakin' book first.

the point is i have researched plenty.
i only mention the FSM because i know you are going to have a coronary snipping the post with some all caps response or other. i mention "noobs" in part so others that are NEW to 80 series repairs or to this repair hopefully won't feel insecure about posting their questions OR will get some value out of what i am posting.
honestly it seem ridiculous to me that you would be bent out of shape about whether or not i have read and am using the FSM (i have and i am) and posting about it in a thread about 80 series brake repair of all things.
if you don't have a clue that i have the three printed guides by now and oftentimes make xerox copies on repairs so i can read them over multiple times and mark them up with a pencil that's your problem.
seriously no one wants to listen to this and it's got absolutely nothing to do with the post in reality.
i'm not even sure why you continue to post on here beyond providing the helpful pics that i already mentioned in the post were not available at ourisman when i purchased my parts.
i mean if you don't honestly understand it's hard to "get there from here" in some cases with 80's repairs that's your problem.
additionally if you are simply picking stray comments out of a thread that have nothing to really do with the matter at hand to give someone a hard time that's also your problem.
it's some serious extraneous crap and whingeing to me. maybe it's just how you float your boat. dunno.
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i have an idea, why don't you call me on the phone or you can call me and we can make a personal contact and i can explain to you how much time has gone into this repair and why you shouldn't - logically speaking - be bent about any 80's owner asking any question about any repair on an 80 on here. it's counter productive for everyone.
i've squashed worst online beefs with crankier forum members i've never met this way and we actually became friendly.
also it seems dumb for you to keep howling in the wind like this it's so unnecessary and a huge time suck!

 

[landcruiser3DP]

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* If you spend time off road:
Every other tire rotation, pull one at a time, wipe off the old and slather them up good and run them back in.
This is one of those things that's not mentioned in the manual, but your truck will stop so much better if the piston isn't fighting crusty guide pins.

hey RM. thanks for this. do you mind if i come back to it when i get to the rears. i had planned to start on rears but ran into a busted up stud and couldn't find my impact adapters so i got off to a slow start and moved to fronts which i am working on now.
i have an outstanding question on pads as to whether i need to back them sure some kind of grease or something? the pic JH posted seemed to show front anti squeal shims with some kind of copper looking packet. i was wondering if i need to use copper anti seize somewhere or something?
but also on this pic (THANKS) am i - well what am i looking at please? i bought 4 X caliper so i could rebuild or sell mine later and i could just other them in with new hoses.
can you walk me though what this diagram is showing it is confusing to me?
there is some kind of an adapter at the bottom? then the caliper? then the bolts look like it is bolting these two into the rotor?
also what is shown at the top? it's pulling out the internals to the caliper but not showing the armature they fit in? or what am i looking at?
i'm sort of at the point where i get that the large calipers go in front and the small ones go in back!