700 hood shake elimination

[MRego]

The 200 is amazing, but not without its own issues.

I haven't encountered any yet, but agree based on other's experiences here.

There's nothing magical about the 200 Series.

Disagree. That was a no-compromises era for Toyota that won't come back. The hood flutter because of thin aluminum, panel gaps and gone-V8 are just a couple examples. As I am sure many here too, I have driven/owned many many cars over the years (including the LX600) and never felt that any of them were as solid as the 200. I admit though haven't driven a 700 yet but it is hard to believe it is such a night and day difference when compared to the 600.

I'd be happy to list them, but it would be a long list.

Other than the (IMO) overly blown coolant issue raised in another thread, please do give examples. I am genuinely curious.

 

[eNx]

This V8 argument still baffles me. Sure, it was solid but it's an old designed engine. At certain point, toyota needs to innovate and can't just stay stale. I didn't own/drove the 200 series but owned a 2020 GX460, which is also a V8 and it was fine but the power (i know it's not a direct comparison) is lacking. The torque you get on the 600 and especially on the 700 is definitely a welcome change. Even the 460 V8 had issues in the early stages.

However, we do need to complain and let the dealer knows what we see, so that toyota is aware. Additionally, it's not like toyota is not willing to fix the issues. They are willing to replace the whole engine on the 600s.

With that said, I don't disagree that the 200 engine is a great engine but it's in the pass. I don't even think that the rest of the world has a V8 option for the 600/700, which tells you that they are moving away from it.

 

[Specialeyes]

This V8 argument still baffles me. Sure, it was solid but it's an old designed engine. At certain point, toyota needs to innovate and can't just stay stale. I didn't own/drove the 200 series but owned a 2020 GX460, which is also a V8 and it was fine but the power (i know it's not a direct comparison) is lacking. The torque you get on the 600 and especially on the 700 is definitely a welcome change. Even the 460 V8 had issues in the early stages.

However, we do need to complain and let the dealer knows what we see, so that toyota is aware. Additionally, it's not like toyota is not willing to fix the issues. They are willing to replace the whole engine on the 600s.

With that said, I don't disagree that the 200 engine is a great engine but it's in the pass. I don't even think that the rest of the world has a V8 option for the 600/700, which tells you that they are moving away from it.

The 3UR definitely deserves its place in the upper hierarchy of engines but IMO it’s not as “invincible” as the 2UZ. That was their peak V8 for trucks and SUV’s. The 1GR was an amazing V6 and the 22RE a very reliable 4 cylinder. The one thing all of those engines have in common compared to modern day vehicles however is they are now considered slow and low on torque. Yes, I know engine performance has never been Toyota’s primary focus and that still is not the case but between emissions, cafe, and simply trying to have respectable performance compared to the competition new engines were needed.

Across the entire automotive landscape V8’s are the exception now, not the rule.

 

[TexasHusker]

The way I would put it is, yes, the LX 600 turbo is capable, but every acceleration is some sort of growling drama. In my 200, I just punch it and it goes. The 600 has too many gears for its own good. Eight is plenty.

 

[Obi Wong Kenobi]

I haven't encountered any yet, but agree based on other's experiences here.


Disagree. That was a no-compromises era for Toyota that won't come back. The hood flutter because of thin aluminum, panel gaps and gone-V8 are just a couple examples. As I am sure many here too, I have driven/owned many many cars over the years (including the LX600) and never felt that any of them were as solid as the 200. I admit though haven't driven a 700 yet but it is hard to believe it is such a night and day difference when compared to the 600.


Other than the (IMO) overly blown coolant issue raised in another thread, please do give examples. I am genuinely curious.

I mean I understand your affinity for the 200, but let’s be realistic. I’ve had a 200 as well and the LX700 and 600 are bounds better in many ways than the 200 ever was. I miss the V8, but it’s not like it was ridiculously powerful or that quick off the line anyway. Time will tell how good the reliability of the new engines are after the teething issues are smoothed out, but so far, we’re loving the LX700h and fits in very well with the rest of our stable.

 

[eNx]

I'm pretty sure that if Toyota put a brand new V8 power train to the 600/700, people will still complain and say that it's new and it's not proven. Any changes that toyota makes will get a complain.

 

[Canyonero]

Other than the (IMO) overly blown coolant issue raised in another thread, please do give examples. I am genuinely curious.

I tihnk you took my comment out of context. I said "
Hood flutter won't leave you stranded. It was a cost-cutting choice, and the 200 is chock-full of those as well. I'd be happy to list them, but it would be a long list."

So to be clear, I'm not referring to mechanical issues, but cost-cutting. This thread is specifically about the hood flutter issue on the LX, and my point is that the 200 has a TON of cost cutting evident during it's very long run of 2008 through 2021.

From creaky plastics, to poorly painted plastics, to a lack of lockers, small fuel tank, street tires, terrible cameras, terrible infotainment (even for the years they were being produced, compared to other OEM vehicles), on and on. Mechanically, yes it was sound. So is, I expect, the 300.

 

[bj70bc]

the v35 (tundra) is a pleasure to drive compared to the v8 (tundra) i had. Its just feels so much more relaxed and pleasant to drive, i find it will climb a grade with much less fuss and noise than the v8 and stays in a lower rpm range, no gear hunting, better torque where you need it and much better fuel economy (im seeing a solid 20% improvement in all situations) oil analysis says my bearings are fine so im happy. In the 6 or 700 it would be a rocket ship.... 700 looks pretty sweet

 

[mrlittlejeans]

the v35 (tundra) is a pleasure to drive compared to the v8 (tundra) i had. Its just feels so much more relaxed and pleasant to drive, i find it will climb a grade with much less fuss and noise than the v8 and stays in a lower rpm range, no gear hunting, better torque where you need it and much better fuel economy (im seeing a solid 20% improvement in all situations) oil analysis says my bearings are fine so im happy. In the 6 or 700 it would be a rocket ship.... 700 looks pretty sweet

My average over 18k miles is 15.6mpg with slightly bigger tires (285/65R18 Wildpeak AT3's) and I drive fast off the line. I get around 11 or 12 in my 570.

 

[Canyonero]

the v35 (tundra) is a pleasure to drive compared to the v8 (tundra) i had. Its just feels so much more relaxed and pleasant to drive, i find it will climb a grade with much less fuss and noise than the v8 and stays in a lower rpm range, no gear hunting, better torque where you need it and much better fuel economy (im seeing a solid 20% improvement in all situations) oil analysis says my bearings are fine so im happy. In the 6 or 700 it would be a rocket ship.... 700 looks pretty sweet

Yes, exactly. This new motor in hybrid form pulls like a train. Tons of torque, keeps low rpm and feels like it has endless power. Honestly, it reminds me of my last F250 diesel. I’ve had a number of NA V8s in Colorado, and they always feel gutless at our elevation.

All of the extra power, and with nearly twice the mpg is no small feat from Toyota. These things are heavy full-time 4wd trucks, so it’s impressive to see 20mpg+ on the highway.

 

[bj70bc]

Yes, exactly. This new motor in hybrid form pulls like a train. Tons of torque, keeps low rpm and feels like it has endless power. Honestly, it reminds me of my last F250 diesel. I’ve had a number of NA V8s in Colorado, and they always feel gutless at our elevation.

All of the extra power, and with nearly twice the mpg is no small feat from Toyota. These things are heavy full-time 4wd trucks, so it’s impressive to see 20mpg+ on the highway.

ya, i did net 20mpg on a recent highway trip through the mountains, 700 probably would do much better
definitely feels like a diesel torque curve.... and thats what they said they were trying to achieve with it being an undersquare engine design, off centre crank to piston alignment (mechanical lever advantage), early turbo spool, direct and port injection and improved combustion chamber swirl, all leading to early torque and low rpm's.

 

[MRego]

I mean I understand your affinity for the 200, but let’s be realistic. I’ve had a 200 as well and the LX700 and 600 are bounds better in many ways than the 200 ever was. I miss the V8, but it’s not like it was ridiculously powerful or that quick off the line anyway. Time will tell how good the reliability of the new engines are after the teething issues are smoothed out, but so far, we’re loving the LX700h and fits in very well with the rest of our stable.

I am rooting for the 700 (and 600 too), I promise. There might be a slightly used one in my future after the depreciation hits the (hopefully) lady that owns it now and takes it to the mall/starbucks/school run circuit, who knows? The only thing is that I haven't found one yet that topples my 200HE - both in looks and in approach angle off-roading. I just wish upon a star every night that Toyota hear us few and bring at least the GR sport 300 - hell I would pay 700OT-money for that.

 

[Jurwin]

didnt realize mk4's was aluminum, interesting

Yes, the hood and the targa (removable) roof was made of aluminium.

 

[TexasHusker]

Yes, the hood and the targa (removable) roof was made of aluminium.

So are my Coke Zeros, but they don't flutter at speed.

 

[GXTOLX]

Tried this. Still some hood flutter so not a fix.