Unless you’re talking about a 4.7 … the 5.7 has the Chain
4 banger LC, thoughts?
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I'd be really interested to see the GM and Toyota engines on a BSFC dyno test. There's no doubt that they're thirsty. But so is Toyotas new T6. Maybe it's not the engine. The new tundra has a size larger transfer case internals than the F350. Old tundra shared the same as the f250/350. Tundra weighs about 1k lbs more than the other half ton trucks. The Tacoma running gear is probably closer to an f150 than tundra. I'm not sure it's all good or bad. All of that HD drivetrain has a lot of friction.
I'm generally a fan of GM V8s. Had lots of them in different flavors. It's all the stuff bolted on around them that's trash. Including the intake manifold, sensors, transmissions, etc. But the short block is usually very good. I'm not sure what part of the formula is saving the fuel though.
I still think the T6 was a mistake. It's far too complicated for too little gain. A turbo I6 would be so much better.
I'm generally a fan of GM V8s. Had lots of them in different flavors. It's all the stuff bolted on around them that's trash. Including the intake manifold, sensors, transmissions, etc. But the short block is usually very good. I'm not sure what part of the formula is saving the fuel though.
I still think the T6 was a mistake. It's far too complicated for too little gain. A turbo I6 would be so much better.
That is correct, the 3UR does have a chain. Again, I love Toyotas an have zero intention of getting a GM vehicle. But, my dream off-roader would probably be an 80 with a LS and 6L80E.
That 5.7 is a Bruiser!
Except for the Valve spring issues.. that occasionally happens…. It’s a Brick S#\% House that’s proven itself
Except for the Valve spring issues.. that occasionally happens…. It’s a Brick S#\% House that’s proven itself
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They don’t matter for long term planning. The federal government, regardless of the political leanings of whichever administration is in power, is working on a 20-50 year plan (see National Academy of Sciences) to grow fully energy self sufficient. We won’t need cheap OR expensive gasoline and we won’t have to kiss Saudi boots to get inexpensive fuel, like our last administration did. Personally, I’ll pay $5/gal. now as a surcharge to have actual competent adults in charge of the free world. I’ll also hold off buying a hybrid or EV until I can get 500-1000 miles of range and the infrastructure is more built out. Which it will be. Because of course it will be, it’s inevitable. In just the way that there weren’t always gas stations on every city street corner or every 50 miles (if that…) on western interstates.
Sometimes I imagine that the ‘V8 till I die’ guys sound just like the guys that said “Automobiles!?!? No way!!! I’ll never give up my sturdy horse for one of those tin cans, I can get water and grass for my horse just about anywhere and at any time! Those cars are nothing but a liability, they’ll never last!”.
PS - politicians may benefit via campaign donations or graft from oil prices but they don’t set them. The market determines that and oil producers and refiners are the ones making money on your purchase, whether at $2 or $5/gal. Politicians that cater to and protect fossil fuel producers and refiners are supported in their political aspirations or are targeted for removal by funding rivals. No one in the government, ours that is, sets oil or fuel prices. Oil producers may lower or raise their prices to try to influence our electorate, and they certainly did that with our last administration bc they saw an opportunity to siphon power away. With this administration, they have less leverage, so they raise prices and siphon cash. Why do you think the Saudis and other middle eastern oil rich power brokers are suddenly involved in every other major international industry? Bc they see the writing on the wall and know they need to diversify their portfolios and use their riches to buy into the next century before the two centuries of fossil fuels come to a close. The sooner we can extricate ourselves from dependence on them, the better. So keep your V8, heck get another, but know that your grandkids won’t ever touch one the same way you and I never touched a penny farthing.
I’m sorry, but there’s many wrong statements in this post.
Won’t get into them due to this being a Land Cruiser thread and not a political debate, but we should get back on topic.
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I hear you, but the context of a Land Cruiser and the choices that Toyota makes based on market forces, politics, and contending with reality are pertinent to the discussion of Land Cruisers. If you disagree with something I said, I welcome fact-based disputes of statements or claims I’ve made. If you just don’t like things I’ve said for personal reasons, that’s fine too, but saying “there’s many wrong statements” doesn’t tell me anything about what you think or why you think it, which I’d welcome.
I might have missed it / them...
What are your thoughts on the LC 4 banger ?
Cheers.
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The issue is a lot of what you said is just flat out wrong and also has nothing to do with j250 engine. So it’s off topic and not worth disputing.
To get back on topic:
I’m pretty excited for this engine and line up
I4 part time 4wd in 4runner probably going a bit downmarket from LC250.
Turbo 4 hybrid with full time Awd in Land Cruiser
Turbo 6cyl in GX, LX and sequoia. With possible LX overtrail covering the true LC space.
We pretty much have it all or will have it all
Would I like to have a V8? Idk Toyotas v8s are not efficient and they never gave us an adequate size tank for range. I’d like the option for a 25+mpg LC and now I have one.
You can take the time the scroll back through the 36 pages of the thread, I’ve made numerous commentsI might have missed it / them...
What are your thoughts on the LC 4 banger ?
Cheers.
All Points aside from Gas prices increasing…… and policies
My main concern is Interest rates. 6-8 % Ya that Is Horrific.
It’s a contributing factor on which vehicle I purchase.
Think I’ll make it to Spring of 2025 before I Actually buy another. See how everything is.
Drive and research the ones I’m thinking of.
The 250 LC is definitely one of them.
My main concern is Interest rates. 6-8 % Ya that Is Horrific.
It’s a contributing factor on which vehicle I purchase.
Think I’ll make it to Spring of 2025 before I Actually buy another. See how everything is.
Drive and research the ones I’m thinking of.
The 250 LC is definitely one of them.
Consumer Reports still shows current Silverados as having significant engine issues. Overall reliability of the Silverado is still terrible, but the engine is a particular problem area.
Yes, I know, Consumer Reports reliability reports have issues but it is the best data we have. The manufacturers have better data but they don’t release their internal data.
Because Toyota is a pragmatic organization;
It saw the writing on the wall, long-term, years ago.
Why spend valuable development money on an ancient technology that only caters for a small demographic…. when one can easily spend that money developing future propulsion systems for, say, half the developed world? Cha-Ching. Last I checked, Toyota was in the business of making money.
That‘s what’s really going down with Toyota.
And that’s why it has taken so long for them to develop competent, scalable energy systems and the roll out across different platforms. They need to get every single supplier and every single vested interest on board before any pivot happens.
Toyota is a conglomerate ecosystem; poor planning anywhere in the product planning realm or the more general “Possible futures” department will be catastrophic. We saw this last week when they lost 1/4 of a billion dollars in one day due to “issues with system updates…” — And that was just in manufacturing parts planning and procurement.
All ships must sail in the same direction at Toyota.
Otherwise, it becomes GM.
The Japanese are a very pragmatic people.
Could you summarize what you think it was Toyota read on that wall years ago and what you think their long term goal is? Would be helpful to know.
And what do you imagine “the future propulsions systems” are that will replace ancient technology? Toyota has been making small displacement turbo engines for half a century. And the one we are discussing in this thread is only going to be sold in barely an eighth of the developed world. Is it advanced EV, Hydrogen, Nuclear, Solar, something more advanced than my 1988 LJ70 2.4l Turbo? Something more advanced than the 2.8l diesels being sold in the remaining seven eights of the developed world, including Japan, in 2024?
Permit me tell you a short story about the “small demographic” and their ancient engines. The blacksmith who works in my village in Italy was dong some work on my house a few years ago. He had just bought a Toyota Hi-Lux truck and was very proud of it. I’ve never seen anyone take such good care of a vehicle. One day I complimented him on his truck and it’s maintenance regime. He smiled and said, “Signore, if this truck does not start in the morning, my family and I do not eat in the evening.” Those simple people, who rely on Toyota and “tested” technologies every morning, are not a “small demographic”, sir, they are the heart and soul of a very large one. The DINKS and Yuppie poseurs who have to feel like they are engaged and on tech’s cutting edge everyday to feel alive, that have to change their iphones and Macs once a month because there is something deep down inside they can’t change about themselves, are a minuscule demography. Since we know that offroaders, overlanders and serious enthusiasts account for less than 5% of buyers, that means that large mass of unwashed truck owners you underestimate are the real money makers for Toyota.
I’ve read this Reference to the new 4cy petrol hybrid before.
Th United States has certain rules and laws for what engines are available.
Toyota receives a Large amount of Money from the Usa for the vehicles they sell.
I highly!!! Am doubtful that Toyota Made a 4cyl turbo Hybrid petrol engine that is not “Good”.
Ok …other places on earth have other types of engines.
That doesn't mean that the available engine Usa gets in various platforms is not a good one.
Not argument, just discussion
Fuel prices and that of other commodities/necessities including vehicles, rise because of uncontrolled government spending which results in printing of money and devalueing of every dollar in circulation/that you've saved.....not to mention a devaluation of your labor.
Every time more money is printed, each of us takes a pay cut as the value of our compensation is worth less and less
This is the primary reason new vehicle prices are sky high
GM makes so many running updates because they are using their consumer base to do their testing
Certainly agree , yet I was trying not to be political.
Was talking about the Fire, Not the kindling or Spark to make it.
Please convey a bit more information to this equation.I see a lot talk about better mileage... And IMHO, that is NOT the main driver for the shift in engines / set ups in the USA , it is the emissions standards we now have here.
I agree with above, ever empire falls and we all make mistakes.. I wish I could wait. But I can't. I will still get a new LC250 IF they don't f*** stupidly market it above MRSP , that's my limit, I won't pay a dime above MRSP. I wish I could say I'd wait for the possible issues to be resolved in the first years, but after keep seeing Broncos and Jeeps all around town with more modern tech, I won't wait and will get the LC250 provided the above statement is true. I already asked for the best person I know to buy extended warranty for an estimate on the LC250, and I will get the 10 years / 125k mileage zero deductible Toyota warranty.
I did a dumb calculation, for the next 30 years of driving which should be covered by my next and last vehicle: LC250 vs LC200, it is +$60k more just in gas with the lovely V8... So yeah, I will buy the LC250 and trust Toyota.
(PS: I amthis close to get a Highlander hybrid, dump a set of AT's, and call it a day.
How long would you plan to keep this vehicle (If life works that way) ?
How many miles per year do you drive?
What was the estimated mpg and price per gallon you equated?
Appreciate the input
I’m transitioning from idea of the 5.7 Tundra to a 6cyl Tundra
Yet this 250 LC has the top spot if interest rates stop climbing… and hopefully descend.
I’d likely obtain a vehicle i would keep for approximately 12 years or so. Maybe more if I just want to.
At approximately 10,000 miles per year that’s around 125,000, and rite about the time it’s still worth something substantial.
The idea of 14mpg with a tried and true 5.7 is much different than the idea of 24mpg
Yet cost of vehicles differ greatly
And yet a vastly less complicated diesel engine with modern emmission controls could easily get the same mileage and cost less to produce and maintain.
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