285s on an 02 tundra?

[OverLand Cruisers]

Hi!
We're looking at picking up an 02 Tundra Access Cab 4X4 and have an almost new set of BFG 285s that we wanted to put on it.
Will they fit with OEM wheels?
If not how bad will they rub & what do I have to do to get them to fit?
Will a 285 spare fit under the bed?

Thanks!

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

From what I've read it will require some lift in the front at least, and some wheel spacers if you run the stock wheels.

 

[OverLand Cruisers]

Thanks!

 

[Thundra]

You will definitely rub with a stock suspension. If it's a 4x4, then lift it anyway. They look awesome with a 4" and those size tires.

 

[90FJ]

All you need is a 2" leveling kit, look at Bilstein 5100s. They are a lift strut, worked awesome on my '04 With 285s, I had to trim .5" of plastic off the inside of my bumper.

4" expensive and too much IMO. Go search tundrasolutions.com

 

[$out]

285's with "2 lift. Rides better than my friends seq. with 5100!....

 

[OverLand Cruisers]

Nice!

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

That example looks perfect! I wouldn't recommend a bigger lift, as that truck has the perfect amount of fender gap for the up-travel.

 

[90FJ]

I've had spacer lifts and 5100s, the physics and experience support 5100 leveling struts.

 

[Cracker]

Spacer lifts pre-load the springs, making for a stiffer ride, and somehow arent as good for the CV joints in the long run.
5100s are cheap enough and better for your suspension & front driveline components.

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

You guys know that 5100s achieve lift by... preloading the springs... right?

That's what raising the perch does.

A top spacer that goes around the 3 strut bolts doesn't affect the spring rate at all.

 

[90FJ]

this has been covered a thousand times, spacers limit up travel as they move the strut down with the spacer.

5100s don't, they are a great strut regardless of lift, and they are nearly the price of a spacer and you get a new strut which you probably needed anyways.

there is no argument, but in case you need one: let google be your guide....

https://www.google.com/search?q=510...pw.r_qf.&fp=bd716464ca59ecaf&biw=1920&bih=856

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

this has been covered a thousand times, spacers limit up travel as they move the strut down with the spacer.

5100s don't, they are a great strut regardless of lift, and they are nearly the price of a spacer and you get a new strut which you probably needed anyways.

there is no argument, but in case you need one: let google be your guide....

https://www.google.com/search?q=510...pw.r_qf.&fp=bd716464ca59ecaf&biw=1920&bih=856

I can't think of a nicer way to say this... but I don't need a bunch of e-opinions when I can look at something and see how it works.

A top-spacer that goes between the strut top cap and the frame mount only moves the shock/spring assembly down, keeping the exact same amount of travel. The ride height changes but you still have the same amount of compression and extension from that new ride height. With the same size tires, yes there would be some extra gap between the tire and the fender at full compression. But with larger tires that most people install that isn't a problem.

The Bilstein 5100s, while a performing great shock, do in fact preload the spring via the spring perch settings to achieve more lift. That's what happens when you move a spring perch to adjust ride height. The fact that they allow compression to the factory point is negated when you run larger tires as the tires will hit the fender/body before full compression is reached. Also, if you're running the perch at one of the tallest settings you risk spring-bind before bottoming out the shock.

All of this only matters if the truck sees full cycling of the suspension travel anyway. Driving on the street is a different story.

 

[Cracker]

Ummm...no

With the 5100s, the collar is adjustable up or down the strut body. The length of the spring between the top plate and the adjustable collar on the bottom of the strut is the same length as the stock setup. THIS LENGTH DOES NOT CHANGE, when you move the collar up or down. You get the added inches of lift from the added length at the bottom of the strut between the eye bolt and the adjustable collar. The 5100s I'm pretty sure have a longer inner shaft, and more shaft travel, so the strut itself does not become the suspension limiting factor. Also, since the actual spring length remains the same, you are NOT preloading your springs, and retain the same spring rate and ride as stock.

One other thing, with a spacer, you're changing the leverage point on the frame & frame mount...With the 5100s, the stress is applied in the same spot as stock.

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

Ummm...no

With the 5100s, the collar is adjustable up or down the strut body. The length of the spring between the top plate and the adjustable collar on the bottom of the strut is the same length as the stock setup. THIS LENGTH DOES NOT CHANGE, when you move the collar up or down. You get the added inches of lift from the added length at the bottom of the strut between the eye bolt and the adjustable collar. The 5100s I'm pretty sure have a longer inner shaft, and more shaft travel, so the strut itself does not become the suspension limiting factor. Also, since the actual spring length remains the same, you are NOT preloading your springs, and retain the same spring rate and ride as stock.

One other thing, with a spacer, you're changing the leverage point on the frame & frame mount...With the 5100s, the stress is applied in the same spot as stock.

The facts you stated agree with the points I made in my previous post. I'll bust out some DWG's later to show you this, I have other work to do for now.

We're seriously getting at the same point here.

 

[TallCanDan]

Uncle Cracker has it right, I agree.

The facts you stated agree with the points I made in my previous post...

I'm confused, the post that you quoted 90FJ and didn't add anything or the post before that where you stated the opposite of what Cracker is saying, that the 5100s do in fact preload the springs?

We're seriously getting at the same point here.

It doesn't seem this is the case. Maybe I have you wrong. Not busting your balls, but we should be on the same page.

 

[Mr Chuck Norris]

Uncle Cracker has it right, I agree.





I'm confused, the post that you quoted 90FJ and didn't add anything or the post before that where you stated the opposite of what Cracker is saying, that the 5100s do in fact preload the springs?



It doesn't seem this is the case. Maybe I have you wrong. Not busting your balls, but we should be on the same page.

Cracker stated that the perch moves up and down as a fact. He stated that lift is achieved by increased length as a fact.

The rest of what he wrote was opinion, his interpretation of the facts that he stated.

 

[jynx]

Not having any idea how the 5100s work myself, being new to the "strut era", but if the top spring catch point is fixed, if you spin the collar on the strut to gain lift, does this compress the springs, or does the additional travel of the 5100 just extend with the adjustment, leaving the spring the same length?

Thanks

 

[Cracker]

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