2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)

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Not sure why 300/current gen Prado pricing in other countries is relevant for the new US LC? They cannot be imported. Toyota has no obligation to price match around the world, they are going to charge what they think the US market can bare.
Auto markets are competitive. Excessive profit margins are unsustainable in the long run - rarely for more than a short period outside of market chaos like we've seen recently. And the trends are already going back to invoice plus pricing. International market prices are a good indicator of the cost of production plus at least the minimum margin. And they tend to be very close globally unless distorted by government regulations, taxes, etc. Often those costs can be backed out. Sometimes they're too opaque.

In this case we know the pricing on the low end globally represents at least a base price that we can start with in the USA to price before taxes and other local costs.
 
Depends on how they are going to be equipped, doesn't it? The "Lexus difference" price premium in the Land Cruiser models has not been that huge recently. It has actually flipped in the used market. What does a similarly equiped Lexus give you? A better warranty, classier service, better sound deadening, a slight upgrade in materials? I can see a premium of a few thousand dollars but not a lot more.
I think the customer service, and some slight upgrades does warrant a premium but you are correct that lexus does tend to face more depreciation than toyota.

I like where they are at with the 250, I just won't entertain an oddball US based pricing schedule where they charge a 30k premium for the US variant bc it has heated turn singles and occupied rear seat sensor.
 
Not sure why 300/current gen Prado pricing in other countries is relevant for the new US LC? They cannot be imported. Toyota has no obligation to price match around the world, they are going to charge what they think the US market can bare.
Because as a long time toyota owner, I am not paying 300 series GXR money for a 250 LC.

I'll pay 250 Prado money for a 250 LC.

They have no obligation to price match, but this is the same reason they couldn't sell the 200 series.
 
Come On TOYOTA!!! Where is the sneak peek of the new LC with the 80 series in the background?? Only 4 days left to sneak this in! I mean the stock 80 kind of looked like a turd but maybe a 80 with 2" lift, 35's and maybe just throw that front ARB on just because, place it up against a side silhouette of the 250 with aftermarket only option LARGE 33's or 35's on a factory 1" or 2" lift option and nothing more. Just to see that stance look a little better than your you got on the GX. Who cares if they don't fit without rubbing, we won't tell anyone, bring it on and let us dream with a few days left already.... o_O
Not like you won't have many 80's to chose from in SLC the next few days!!! Cruiser outfitters can just yank the 35's off their loner 300 already. They fit right?

Are the reveals ever open to the public post press? Might have to go check on a job in SLC Monday:hmm:
 
Come On TOYOTA!!! Where is the sneak peek of the new LC with the 80 series in the background?? Only 4 days left to sneak this in! I mean the stock 80 kind of looked like a turd but maybe a 80 with 2" lift, 35's and maybe just throw that front ARB on just because, place it up against a side silhouette of the 250 with aftermarket only option LARGE 33's or 35's on a factory 1" or 2" lift option and nothing more. Just to see that stance look a little better than your you got on the GX. Who cares if they don't fit without rubbing, we won't tell anyone, bring it on and let us dream with a few days left already.... o_O
Not like you won't have many 80's to chose from in SLC the next few days!!! Cruiser outfitters can just yank the 35's off their loner 300 already. They fit right?

Are the reveals ever open to the public post press? Might have to go check on a job in SLC Monday:hmm:
I think the would be a bold and awesome move.
 
As I said before.... USA:

2024 LX , ~ $100K
2024 Lexus GX off road trim, ~$75k
2024 LC Prado, ~$60k (I hope)
2024 T4R, ~ $45k

And then you have the TX and the rest ... But for off road, these are my hopes. Based on current 2024 LX prices, on going GX and T4R prices, and other countries trim levels.

Can't wait to see it here....


And yes ! The T4R and Prados ain't LC's, but the LC300 is not making it to the USA, and the $100k 2024 LX is way too much cash for that , so I will take whatever they do as LC here, Prado or not. But, btw, Prados even though not LC's, are very well made vehicles and used and rough in many other countries. Also, as mentioned above, they now share the same platform, which is an advance and advantage if we would like to think how close in quality the Prados would be to LCs.


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As I said it before ... ~$60k for the USA LC Prado...

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As I said it before ... ~$60k for the USA LC Prado...

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I just think it's funny that people are aching to spend 75k on a Prado. You can get a GXR 300 series for that in every other market.

Prados really need to be compared to perjeros and other vehicles in the class.
 
I just think it's funny that people are aching to spend 75k on a Prado. You can get a GXR 300 series for that in every other market.

Prados really need to be compared to perjeros and other vehicles in the class.
Land Cruiser enthusiasts are their own worst enemy. They hate everything... they complain about every new model... (Price, Looks, Capability)... They adopt the new model. They then try and price themselves out of the market when they sell things.
 
I think the customer service, and some slight upgrades does warrant a premium but you are correct that lexus does tend to face more depreciation than toyota.

I like where they are at with the 250, I just won't entertain an oddball US based pricing schedule where they charge a 30k premium for the US variant bc it has heated turn singles and occupied rear seat sensor.
What are you rambling on about? Heated turn signals? Rear seat sensors?

While I somewhat agree and understand the sentiment that the 200 was overpriced I do think it was priced correctly based on what it offered and how robust it is. The problem was not the 200 itself, but the American consumer viewing Toyota as a “lesser” brand compared to something like a Cadillac, Lexus, Range Rover, Mercedes, etc.

Putting my guess out there the new LC is going to come in around $55k on the low end and no more than $69,995 on the high end which should be a great value provided it is a as capable, comfortable, and reliable as previous iterations. All the while being updated with modern amenities and a less thirsty power train.
 
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I just took those prices from cars.com, with lot photos,

Wrangler 392's. 79,999
Ram TRX 86,750
F150 Raptors 79,450
Bronco Raptors. 81,845

Nobody is paying market adjustments anymore.

A 65k Prado is a reach. Especially in todays credit market.
I looked up every one of those models you listed on the cars.com app and when searching new, 2023 models all of the available inventory I found is roughly $10k more (give or take a grand one way or the other) than your stated values. Also ADM is very much still a thing, at least in a major metro area such as Dallas.

Prado’s have been in the $60k range in the US for a while now (GX460) and that is for an old dinosaur of a truck. You’re making no sense saying a new one priced at $65k USD is a “reach”.
 
What are you rambling on about? Heated turn signals? Rear seat sensors?

While I somewhat agree and understand the sentiment that the 200 was overpriced I do think it was priced correctly based on what it offered and how robust it is. The problem was not the 200 itself, but the American consumer viewing Toyota as a “lesser” brand compared to something like a Cadillac, Lexus, Range Rover, Mercedes, etc.

Putting my guess out there the new LC is going to come in around $55k on the low end and no more than $69,995 on the high end which should be a great value provided it is a as capable, comfortable, and reliable as previous iterations. All the while being updated with modern amenities and a less thirsty power train.
The issue with the 200 was toyota attempting to sell a 60k utility vehicle for 85k.

The American consumer has really good options for pretty much ever use case. Competing a utility vehicle in the luxury commuter market doesn't work.

It would be like Jeep releasing the next generation of Wrangler in the US with a single trim with 22inch wheels, and sport suspension and priced like a Rubicon 392 and while selling the full line up of Wranglers in Mexico.

Wrangler sales would drop crater like 200 series sales.
 
Land Cruiser enthusiasts are their own worst enemy. They hate everything... they complain about every new model... (Price, Looks, Capability)... They adopt the new model. They then try and price themselves out of the market when they sell things.

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The issue with the 200 was toyota attempting to sell a 60k utility vehicle for 85k.

The American consumer has really good options for pretty much ever use case. Competing a utility vehicle in the luxury commuter market doesn't work.

It would be like Jeep releasing the next generation of Wrangler in the US with a single trim with 22inch wheels, and sport suspension and priced like a Rubicon 392 and while selling the full line up of Wranglers in Mexico.

Wrangler sales would drop crater like 200 series sales.
I really don’t understand the constant comparisons of the LC to the Wrangler and Bronco. The only LC that was even similar to either of those was the original FJ40. I know the new Prado was rumored to be a revival of that but I for one am happy to see they are sticking with the wagon style SUV. Wranglers suck ass on the road and are compromised in terms of comfort and utility. Broncos have better on road manners thanks to the IFS but also share the same pitfalls on lack of overall comfort and utility. Not to mention Fords build quality has been terrible of late.

If I wanted an extra vehicle that was dedicated to trail duty then no doubt I would pick a Wrangler or Bronco with 2 doors. However for a well rounded vehicle give me a more recent LC, 4Runner, or GX. Hell even the Defender is nice if you don’t mind running the risk of having it in the shop once a month.
 
I looked up every one of those models you listed on the cars.com app and when searching new, 2023 models all of the available inventory I found is roughly $10k more (give or take a grand one way or the other) than your stated values. Also ADM is very much still a thing, at least in a major metro area such as Dallas.

Prado’s have been in the $60k range in the US for a while now (GX460) and that is for an old dinosaur of a truck. You’re making no sense saying a new one priced at $65k USD is a “reach”.

Interneting is hard some times



Dude... it's 2023, who is still buying cars at the local dealer.

The gx460 sorta of proves my point, nobody is buying them, they sell 1/5 the amount of that 4runners sell because lexus operates off the premise of reduced capability at a premium price.
 
I really don’t understand the constant comparisons of the LC to the Wrangler and Bronco. The only LC that was even similar to either of those was the original FJ40. I know the new Prado was rumored to be a revival of that but I for one am happy to see they are sticking with the wagon style SUV. Wranglers suck ass on the road and are compromised in terms of comfort and utility. Broncos have better on road manners thanks to the IFS but also share the same pitfalls on lack of overall comfort and utility. Not to mention Fords build quality has been terrible of late.

If I wanted an extra vehicle that was dedicated to trail duty then no doubt I would pick a Wrangler or Bronco with 2 doors. However for a well rounded vehicle give me a more recent LC, 4Runner, or GX. Hell even the Defender is nice if you don’t mind running the risk of having it in the shop once a month.
Because toyota is the one that making that comparison

You can't say hey look at our legendary off-road triple locked, mid sized land cruiser and say hey it's not fair, you can't compare us to a mid size bronco with triple lockers.

Dude, I live kuwait and it's one of the most extreme environments on earth and I'm not seeing any broncos or raptors sitting on the side of the road with engine issues.

Are they as reliable as toyota, no of course not but to imply that toyotas engines are forged from depleted uranium and ford's are made from Chinese pot metal is just silly.
 
Interneting is hard some times



Dude... it's 2023, who is still buying cars at the local dealer.

The gx460 sorta of proves my point, nobody is buying them, they sell 1/5 the amount of that 4runners sell because lexus operates off the premise of reduced capability at a premium price.
The majority of people still stick to dealers within 50 miles or so of their home. I can share links that back up my comments as well but I’m not that hard up to plead my case.

I’m not familiar with the area where the dealers are located that you referenced but they must be low volume dealers. GX’s have been selling before they hit the lot around my neck of the woods ever since they rolled out the 2022 infotainment update. Dude.
 
Land Cruiser enthusiasts are their own worst enemy. They hate everything... they complain about every new model... (Price, Looks, Capability)... They adopt the new model. They then try and price themselves out of the market when they sell things.
I think toyota does some things really well and others not so much.

I think they produce a handful of incredible vehicles that stay true their original form and use case but they don't sell those vehicles in the largest consumer market on the planet.

Its like going to you favorite steak house and finding out they have replaced the real steak with Chicken and vegitarian steaks.

It's just weird.
 
The majority of people still stick to dealers within 50 miles or so of their home. I can share links that back up my comments as well but I’m not that hard up to plead my case.

I’m not familiar with the area where the dealers are located that you referenced but they must be low volume dealers. GX’s have been selling before they hit the lot around my neck of the woods ever since they rolled out the 2022 infotainment update. Dude.
Lol, I am sure that you can find overpriced examples,

Its doesn't matter where they are located, you can get a car shipped halfway accross the country for 800 bucks. s***, you can get a greyhound to most locations for a hundred bucks.
 
Lol, I am sure that you can find overpriced examples,

Its doesn't matter where they are located, you can get a car shipped halfway accross the country for 800 bucks. s***, you can get a greyhound to most locations for a hundred bucks.
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I said a few months ago that I would buy the new LC if it was based off the Prado with improved off road capabilities and some "heritage" styling. I am very happy with what I have seen of the GX and I anticipate liking the LC. Sorry the pricing bothers some of you. What can I say...... no poors!
 
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