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200 Series Sales Numbers for the USA
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Interesting stats. I had no idea the LX outsold the LC 2 to 1.
Interesting discussion. My preference would be for Toyota to offer a striped down version like they do elsewhere in the world. No nav, basic electronics (power windows & locks) simple diesel engine and I'd even take manual transmission. I like leather but a nice vinyl like MB offers would be even better.
I'd never buy it but that'd be a nice option. Would def eat into downmarket sales.
Plus the 4Runner already occupies that market.
Bingo. Toyota ain't stupid. Know that they have highly paid Harvard MBA consultants studying this stuff all day.
Exactly. While I am right there with the rest of you wishing we could buy even what these companies offer in other markets like the Toyota TDV8 or even in Land Rovers their diesels, or simpler machines, the truth is that "we" probably account for only 1-4% of annual sales.
Maybe an interesting new thread could be a poll: "who bought 2012, 13, 14 LC or LX and uses it differently than pure stock form?" Will there really be in the US/Canada more than 50 or so per year of new vehicle purchases by such people? You/we keep this kind of vehicle for a while, so that would be at most 200-500 forum members comprising the above polling idea. Doubt it's even close to that.
I was watching Cadillac's global product mgr explaining who the competitors are for the new escalade which is very well done.
Mercedes gl
Range rover
Infiniti q7
Lincoln nav to a lesser extent.
The fully loaded 2015 escalade is about the same price as a land cruiser.
I'd love a technical review comparing to what standard these cars are built by a top shelf automotive engineer.
Mercedes gl
Range rover
Infiniti q7
Lincoln nav to a lesser extent.
The fully loaded 2015 escalade is about the same price as a land cruiser.
I'd love a technical review comparing to what standard these cars are built by a top shelf automotive engineer.
Recently I spoke with two local dealers, one Lexus and the other Toyota. Both who are familiar with the LX/LC and sell several per year. A buyer can actually order an LX WITHOUT the "options" meaning, the silly DVD headrest, or whatever you don't want. However, with Land Cruiser, it is so far sounding like you cannot order without the DVD headrest or anything else.
I am sure almost nobody even thinks to ask, let alone waits to get one without some of these expensive but basically useless options, another one being the auto-cruise control distance feature.
Anyway, it's interesting to me nonetheless as a comparison.
I am sure almost nobody even thinks to ask, let alone waits to get one without some of these expensive but basically useless options, another one being the auto-cruise control distance feature.
Anyway, it's interesting to me nonetheless as a comparison.
no, it's lame and cannot account for situations where people should just be paying better attention. Cool yes, but LAME
Just to chime in I do enjoy the radar cruise feature. Used it quite a bit and no concerns for me.
...via IH8MUD app
...via IH8MUD app
But but it's useless and lame per the guy who doesn't even have a car with it let alone avail via option.
I never would've known how useful it truly is until my 200. It's also integrated with the pre-collision system. Top shelf stuff that the not haves will just b!tch and whine about ad nauseam because the 200 is a highlander. Lol
I'm just being honest. 200 is an amazing rig. Don't fault it for having new tech. It does it all except get you hybrid efficiency.
I never would've known how useful it truly is until my 200. It's also integrated with the pre-collision system. Top shelf stuff that the not haves will just b!tch and whine about ad nauseam because the 200 is a highlander. Lol
I'm just being honest. 200 is an amazing rig. Don't fault it for having new tech. It does it all except get you hybrid efficiency.
Actually that might be the problem. The MBA consultants have given up on the 200 series -- The LC/LX have dismal US sales - and are obviously a low priority vehicle here. Easier to push Sequoias and 4Runners out the door, rather than be competitive with RR's and MB GL's.
The 'green' strategy is to ride the hybrid wave (and skips the 200) - it sounds good to the public, but really isn't a win for the environment. Road tests of Highlander hybrids don't yield significant milage gains. But that's what the Toyota's strategy is - so diesels don't end up here.
Meanwhile MB is making a killing selling GL's (Nearly 30k sold in 2013). Optioned (almost) as you like, with a 26/19 mpg diesel option that puts the 200 to shame. Of course not nearly as capable - but the 200 has design compromises and comes 'overloaded' for off-road use.
I'm not disagreeing "Toyota ain't stupid" - just pointing out the USA 200 sales aren't a priority, and it is a niche luxury vehicle. The off-road capability is sort of a 'legacy' requirement - most 200's stay on the pavement. If the Harvard MBA's were replaced by 'car/truck/offroad' guys, we would have some great vehicles available here. Vehicles Toyota already builds.
http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-200/range
and
http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-70-series/range
W.r.o.n.g.
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Toyota already builds a variety of interesting vehicles (which may or may not fair well in the USA). MB sells more GL diesels than Toyota 200 series (USA) - choice would be nice.
Here is the 100-200 figures. Your MBA's really don't care about the 200 series, or really suck at their job, the numbers are dismal:
These are the numbers of 100 series cruisers sold in the USA.
Year.....LX470.....LC100.....Year Total
1998.....10,978....14,292.....25,270
1999.....15,705....18,569.....34,274
2000.....14,705....15,486.....30,191
2001.....9,304.......7,583.....16,887
2002.....9,226.......6,749.....15,975
2003.....9,187.......6,645.....15,832
2004.....9,831.......6,763.....16,594
2005.....8,555.......4,870.....13,425
2006.....5,595.......3,376.......8,971
2007.....2,468.......3,251.......5,719
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Total.....95,554....87,584....183,138
200 Series Sales Numbers for the USA
Year.......LX570....LC200.....Year Total
2008.....7,915.......3,801......11,716
2009.....3,616.......2,261........5,877
2010.....3,983......1,807.........5,790
2011.....3,167......1,662.........4,829
2012.....5,005......2,895.........7,900
2013.....4,625......3,082.........7,707
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Total....28,311.....15,508.......43,819
I'm not claiming to know better than Toyota and others who think they somehow can put up a better overall corporate production strategy for the biggest auto maker in the world I find to be suspicious/ignorant at best.
I speculate that Toyota doesn't care so much about an sales as they do the overall global lc units sold just like they don't care about how many sequoias they're pushing outside the USA.
See how that works? Various models complement or eat into the sales of the other(s).
It's complicated and can't simply be deduced by looking at sales numbers all day avail via a google search. They have a huge brand image to manage.
End of day I don't really care. My car budget is spent and I've made a choice. 2014 lc all day. I'm lovin it.
I speculate that Toyota doesn't care so much about an sales as they do the overall global lc units sold just like they don't care about how many sequoias they're pushing outside the USA.
See how that works? Various models complement or eat into the sales of the other(s).
It's complicated and can't simply be deduced by looking at sales numbers all day avail via a google search. They have a huge brand image to manage.
End of day I don't really care. My car budget is spent and I've made a choice. 2014 lc all day. I'm lovin it.
I have a 99 100 series and would LOVEEEE a 200 series. But In my mind its all about the market. As much as I wish it was true people that have 80-90k for a new car don't really look at toyotas. They go for more of the luxury brand the luxury style and honestly the name in my opinion. 100 series sold better probably because they were less expensive back then. The MSRP on mine was around $40,000 if I recall. These days you can get a base lexus suv for that. Just my opinion though! 
I have a 99 100 series and would LOVEEEE a 200 series. But In my mind its all about the market. As much as I wish it was true people that have 80-90k for a new car don't really look at toyotas. They go for more of the luxury brand the luxury style and honestly the name in my opinion. 100 series sold better probably because they were less expensive back then. The MSRP on mine was around $40,000 if I recall. These days you can get a base lexus suv for that. Just my opinion though!
