Yeah, and throughout the middle east I've seen the Troopies with the single side row, double side row, and the rear facing fold up squat seats.
1987 BJ 74 LX 4 Dr Prototype
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Yes sir, I'm making a public apology now sire. I would never insinuate that intentions are anything but credible, and tariffs are good for us, we don't want those kind of cars here anyway, yes sir
We all want them here. But sadly as you said, gotta bend over and take it....with more than just vehicles. No offense taken if directed at me. Knew what you meant
as far as the 4 door BJ74, it looks like it wouldn't have worked for rear seat passengers, the pillar and wheel well were just too close.t I know myself, it's not as much for passenger access to the rear, but a door to get to the cargo area
Having owned a number of vehicles with side facing rear seats, I would readily admit that they are great If you are traveling short distances. However in the interest of safety, I wouldn't want to be in one in a collision regardless of the number of seatbelts.
Very understandable, but isn't that the point of the 77s? I keep thinking of the 70/71/73/74 as more of a work off-road truck with ability to take a couple extra people if need be. I wouldn't want to be in the back seat for a long distance even with seat belts (although it is safer)I always assumed the rear seats were more for let's jump in for a quick ride.
Edit. Now a 4 door pickup 70 series. Mmmmmmmm.
Edit. Now a 4 door pickup 70 series. Mmmmmmmm.
I keep my back seat folded up most of the time because I prefer the cargo space over the munchkin seats anyway. 
I've been debating leaving mine like that, but think it would look odd with the cargo box now. Way off topic now. Sorry original poster.
The back seat is not that tight, but it is difficult to enter and exit. This truck appears to be a prototype that they used to model anther truck.
The 35k included what i paid for it and since have put into it.
I dont know what "extensive rust" wayne is reffering to but he is obviosly way off or axaggerating alot. Its been drivin in NB 3 out of the 6 winters it has seen. Undercoated 5 times and twice had body work done to patch trouble body spots. But frame it tight. I had frame surface blasted last year to eliminate the surface corrosion starting.
The truck is used, but i have kept in in good shape. Its a gem.
Yes, i read the translated version of the trucks story. I doubt this is not the only Toyota sanctioned modified rig out there. But it is rare and it is legit.
The 35k included what i paid for it and since have put into it.
I dont know what "extensive rust" wayne is reffering to but he is obviosly way off or axaggerating alot. Its been drivin in NB 3 out of the 6 winters it has seen. Undercoated 5 times and twice had body work done to patch trouble body spots. But frame it tight. I had frame surface blasted last year to eliminate the surface corrosion starting.
The truck is used, but i have kept in in good shape. Its a gem.
Yes, i read the translated version of the trucks story. I doubt this is not the only Toyota sanctioned modified rig out there. But it is rare and it is legit.
kid, since you don't post your name, i am talking about when it was at auction in Japan and when it arrived at Mustang ...
you didn't see it then, did you?
before you incorrectly call me out, yet again, maybe get the facts straight.
you didn't see it then, did you?
before you incorrectly call me out, yet again, maybe get the facts straight.
Despite what i was torn into for saying, this truck does appear to be a Toyota built prototype. There is nothing really odd about it as far as drive line, engine and transmission. It will be valuable to someone i am sure.
I can probably get at least 6 or 7k in receipts from 4 wheel auto as well as show what other big expenses I have forked out for trans, painting, body work, turbo...
I wont try to sell it on this thread..but i will say that the price is doubled if Wayne wants it. The rest of you will get a fair shake if ever interested.
I can probably get at least 6 or 7k in receipts from 4 wheel auto as well as show what other big expenses I have forked out for trans, painting, body work, turbo...
I wont try to sell it on this thread..but i will say that the price is doubled if Wayne wants it. The rest of you will get a fair shake if ever interested.
i do believe you might be thinking i am saying the truck for sale is full of rust ... which, if you re-read my posts, is NOT what i am saying at all.
i am saying it had significant rust where the original body modifications were made.
now, i will say that IF anyone that reads this thread is interested in buying the truck for sale, to pull the inner panels of the rear doors and the door surrounds to inspect from the inside for rust, as well as the seam under the rear doors from underneath and exterior and roof and gutter for signs of rust. if you pull the head liner back from the edge (easy enough to do and to replace) check the gutter from INSIDE the vehicle.
at least that is what i would do if buying one of these prototype vehicles. there is a grey one and this white one that went through auction about the same time period.
to be fair, since you have a boner towards me, as far as cool, it is. it is a piece of history. as far as worth the asking price, that is up to the buyer.
i am saying it had significant rust where the original body modifications were made.
now, i will say that IF anyone that reads this thread is interested in buying the truck for sale, to pull the inner panels of the rear doors and the door surrounds to inspect from the inside for rust, as well as the seam under the rear doors from underneath and exterior and roof and gutter for signs of rust. if you pull the head liner back from the edge (easy enough to do and to replace) check the gutter from INSIDE the vehicle.
at least that is what i would do if buying one of these prototype vehicles. there is a grey one and this white one that went through auction about the same time period.
to be fair, since you have a boner towards me, as far as cool, it is. it is a piece of history. as far as worth the asking price, that is up to the buyer.
Never once said the truck is mint. You want a mint truck there are a "few" in that condition arround for 25 to 30k. This one of a kind truck is used and requires TLC.
There are rust spots here and there. Not denying that. Its Canada, you cant stop it but you can manage it and this truck has been managed with rust check, vasoline and repairs when needed.
It was you crusher who decided to incorrectly depict my truck as a mom and pop operation modified truck..He was totally wrong to depict it in this way. Anyone would be offended.
He seemed to have had it out for me from my first post. For jeolosy i imagine..anyway i appreciete the negative and positive feedback to garner interest. This truck was Factory toyota...as factory as any toyota as it was built by sanctioned toyota owned factory by a sanctioned toyota owned dealer..just like 10's of thousands of others that head to Australia to meet any kind of demand that they may have. To imply that there is only 1 main toyota factory making every single modified model seems a bit foolish.
Heck, there is a company right here in Canada building awesome 70 series sactioned toyota's and if folks want to pay 70k for a new 70 series go for it. Not many arround for less than 20.
Have a good day folks.
There are rust spots here and there. Not denying that. Its Canada, you cant stop it but you can manage it and this truck has been managed with rust check, vasoline and repairs when needed.
It was you crusher who decided to incorrectly depict my truck as a mom and pop operation modified truck..He was totally wrong to depict it in this way. Anyone would be offended.
He seemed to have had it out for me from my first post. For jeolosy i imagine..anyway i appreciete the negative and positive feedback to garner interest. This truck was Factory toyota...as factory as any toyota as it was built by sanctioned toyota owned factory by a sanctioned toyota owned dealer..just like 10's of thousands of others that head to Australia to meet any kind of demand that they may have. To imply that there is only 1 main toyota factory making every single modified model seems a bit foolish.
Heck, there is a company right here in Canada building awesome 70 series sactioned toyota's and if folks want to pay 70k for a new 70 series go for it. Not many arround for less than 20.
Have a good day folks.
no, go back and re-read my post. i never said it was a mom and pop that did the conversion. re-read and tell me what i did actually say, kid.
"there is a company right here in Canada building awesome 70 series sactioned toyota's", do share that info and PLEASE don't say a mine conversion outfit. Toyota NEVER "sanctioned" mine trucks, Toyota Canada ALLOWS Ens to bring them into the country and that is all. if they were "sanctioned" then they would be legal for the road. Miller in Sudbury has the same allowance. there is also a company bringing in brand new 4 door 76 series and supplying them to Miller for conversions. this company does not have Toyota's blessing and yet they are getting away with it.
once the trucks are on Canadian soil, it is NOT by Toyota's sanction they get changed over to mine trucks. Ens just HAPPENS to be the mother company to Ens Industrial, a seperate entity from Ens Toyota.
getting the idea here? Toyota gives Ens PERMISSION to bring in the 75/79 series. Ens creates a SEPERATE company to build the Toyota trucks. the final product has nothing to do with Toyota Canada.
now we can take a look at your little truck.
as Diesler said:
1) prototype was made in response to customer demand for a 70 series 4 door for the japanese toyota dealer - Nagoya Toyota Diesel.
(similar to a mine truck)
2) The company that did the conversion, Arakawa-shatai-kougyo co.ltd. is apparently owned by toyota and already built factory toyota bodies for toyota, which explains the high level custom work.
(similar to ENS)
3) They started with a 74 body, not a 71 and added the 70 series windshield on of course the 74 frame.
(The truck was built using a 74 series base frame and drivetrain. probably for two reasons, you can not get an auto into a SWB frame and the extra 18" of body to work with. i would hope they used the 70 body and not the 74 body since the firewall is completely different between a fold down and a fixed windshield)
4) The truck was criticized for being very hard to enter and exit the rear. Apparently for legal reasons they were not allowed to move the seat back. Since this was a prototype and not a factory model it was deemed a small price to pay to have a 4 door 70 series in 1987.
5) According to this transcript, this truck was the highest sought after land cruiser of this time.
6) This 4 door conversion option only added $1600 US dollars to the price tag! Is that possible?
7) Toyota knew that these prototypes were being made for Nagoya Toyota Diesel and allowed that to happen. (similar to a mine truck except the mine truck base is not legal for Canadian roads) In fact the CEO of toyota himself came to the dealership to inspect the 4 door model. He decided not to put the prototype into full production because of the lack of leg room in the rear but did recognize the need (after the fact) to build a 4 door 70 series.
get the idea? the prototype was NOT SANCTIONED by Toyota. it was ALLOWED by Toyota, 2 very different meanings. you apparently incorrectly believe Toyota sanctioned it.
i have not "had it in for you", i corrected your misinformation and YOU got your panties in a bunch.
contrary to what your mommy told you, it is okay to admit when you are wrong. mommy will forgive you.
"there is a company right here in Canada building awesome 70 series sactioned toyota's", do share that info and PLEASE don't say a mine conversion outfit. Toyota NEVER "sanctioned" mine trucks, Toyota Canada ALLOWS Ens to bring them into the country and that is all. if they were "sanctioned" then they would be legal for the road. Miller in Sudbury has the same allowance. there is also a company bringing in brand new 4 door 76 series and supplying them to Miller for conversions. this company does not have Toyota's blessing and yet they are getting away with it.
once the trucks are on Canadian soil, it is NOT by Toyota's sanction they get changed over to mine trucks. Ens just HAPPENS to be the mother company to Ens Industrial, a seperate entity from Ens Toyota.
getting the idea here? Toyota gives Ens PERMISSION to bring in the 75/79 series. Ens creates a SEPERATE company to build the Toyota trucks. the final product has nothing to do with Toyota Canada.
now we can take a look at your little truck.
as Diesler said:
1) prototype was made in response to customer demand for a 70 series 4 door for the japanese toyota dealer - Nagoya Toyota Diesel.
(similar to a mine truck)
2) The company that did the conversion, Arakawa-shatai-kougyo co.ltd. is apparently owned by toyota and already built factory toyota bodies for toyota, which explains the high level custom work.
(similar to ENS)
3) They started with a 74 body, not a 71 and added the 70 series windshield on of course the 74 frame.
(The truck was built using a 74 series base frame and drivetrain. probably for two reasons, you can not get an auto into a SWB frame and the extra 18" of body to work with. i would hope they used the 70 body and not the 74 body since the firewall is completely different between a fold down and a fixed windshield)
4) The truck was criticized for being very hard to enter and exit the rear. Apparently for legal reasons they were not allowed to move the seat back. Since this was a prototype and not a factory model it was deemed a small price to pay to have a 4 door 70 series in 1987.
5) According to this transcript, this truck was the highest sought after land cruiser of this time.
6) This 4 door conversion option only added $1600 US dollars to the price tag! Is that possible?
7) Toyota knew that these prototypes were being made for Nagoya Toyota Diesel and allowed that to happen. (similar to a mine truck except the mine truck base is not legal for Canadian roads) In fact the CEO of toyota himself came to the dealership to inspect the 4 door model. He decided not to put the prototype into full production because of the lack of leg room in the rear but did recognize the need (after the fact) to build a 4 door 70 series.
get the idea? the prototype was NOT SANCTIONED by Toyota. it was ALLOWED by Toyota, 2 very different meanings. you apparently incorrectly believe Toyota sanctioned it.
i have not "had it in for you", i corrected your misinformation and YOU got your panties in a bunch.
contrary to what your mommy told you, it is okay to admit when you are wrong. mommy will forgive you.
I am trying to give ligitamate toyota lovers a chance at this, as well as get some good advice (which i have gotten some, thanks to those who dont hurl insults and are mature enough to be civil) but truth be told someone locally will likely grab this truck up at some point and it will resurface for more $ or disapear forever.
I am going back to my Vietnamese mechanic. I only left him because he has a very small garage and I could not fit truck in with 33's on it nor leave it there for long. Now that i am back to 31's i can deflate them a bit and get it in. He is a great mechanic and my hopes are he will find my fuel issue.
In the mean time i guess i will nurse it out to the wood pile and grab another load..brrrrr getting cold.
I am going back to my Vietnamese mechanic. I only left him because he has a very small garage and I could not fit truck in with 33's on it nor leave it there for long. Now that i am back to 31's i can deflate them a bit and get it in. He is a great mechanic and my hopes are he will find my fuel issue.
In the mean time i guess i will nurse it out to the wood pile and grab another load..brrrrr getting cold.