A San Francisco 12 yr old boy was mauled to death by his family pets, two pitbulls. Police shot and killed one dog, and the second was taken by animal control officers at the scene.
Very sad.
Very sad.
12yr old boy killed by family dog.
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It is terrible.
But people are still more worried about wolves than they are about their family pets.
I just don't get it.
But people are still more worried about wolves than they are about their family pets.
I just don't get it.
I saw your profile cookiemonster
"Occupation:
Wishing I could hunt pitbulls all day long"
Did you have a personal experience with this breed or is it just media influence?
just curious.
BTW very sad for the boy. I wonder if these dogs where every trained to kill?
A quote from the A.P. "San Francisco has seen at least one other fatal dog mauling in recent years, the death of Diane Whipple in 2001. She was killed by two 100-pound-plus Presa Canarios in the hallway outside her Pacific Heights apartment."
I would be more afraid of being hit by a car then bit by a dog let alone a pit.
"Occupation:
Wishing I could hunt pitbulls all day long"
Did you have a personal experience with this breed or is it just media influence?
just curious.
BTW very sad for the boy. I wonder if these dogs where every trained to kill?
A quote from the A.P. "San Francisco has seen at least one other fatal dog mauling in recent years, the death of Diane Whipple in 2001. She was killed by two 100-pound-plus Presa Canarios in the hallway outside her Pacific Heights apartment."
I would be more afraid of being hit by a car then bit by a dog let alone a pit.
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atoyot said:
Actually have you ever seen a 7 year old playing in a yard get chewed on by the "friendly" family pitbull. Bite marks to the back, shoulders and forearms.
I have. Not a trained killer dog either. That was in 97 when working as a Deputy Sheriff. Approx two-three weeks later we had an infant get chewed up by another "friendly" family pitbull. Neither were my specific case but I had the pleasure of seeing them.
I love kids more than animals. It's been my experience that these family friendly dogs aren't so family friendly.
For a "responsible" adult (i.e.Eric's Bruisers) w/out kids I think a pitbull is a fine dog. In fact one of the K-9 officers I worked with was told in his K-9 training that statisticaly German Shepards are a more agressive dog towards children. I grew up with a shepard w/out any problems, just as millions of family's grow up with both breads. I just don't like pitbulls based upon what I've seen.
Now as to what I've heard, oh ya that would be tonights story from San Francisco. So does the media play into it. Some what.
As for Diane Whipple it was shown that Marjorie Knowler's dogs Bane and Hera were agressive long before Knowler turned them on Whipple. Go do a search and read up on it if your not familiar. Those dogs were trained to fight.
Anyway to all their own.
As for the "occupation" I forgot I had that listed. Seemed funny at the time but never changed it.
I'll change it from "wishing I could hunt" to how about the administrator of death to all pit bulls, the killer dogs.
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Oh and as far as the being hit by the car, I'm not sure where you live but sounds like people don't know how to drive.
Since I've been hit by a both a car and bit by a dog, if I had a choice again I'ld take neither.
Keep your pitbull(s), and I'll keep my kids parakeet.
Since I've been hit by a both a car and bit by a dog, if I had a choice again I'ld take neither.
Keep your pitbull(s), and I'll keep my kids parakeet.
I say... if the dog bites... put down the owner!!
Diane Whipple was attacked by two Perro de Presa Canarios not pits, HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Pits are nice dogs by nature and trained for anything else! Dogs differ in nature, a Fila is a good case in point! A child could saw the family Filas leg off unharmed but if somebody even jokingly came in the yard to play with the kid roughly they would end up hurt or killed!
If you're going to keep a dog like this it's like owning a gun and not for everybody. I have three dogs (2 that require a dominate owner). If I stand over their bowl of food and growl they will go belly up to me. Each one is over 100 pounds and I trust them with my wife and kids 100% or they would be gone. This is an owner not a dog issue. The one dog I had that I questioned tried to bite me ONCE after we had it for about 9 months and while it may seem harsh that dog didn't make it through the night.
The one other dog we had that was a little more testy was still a nice dog but while my wife was trying to get it use to wearing a leash he started bucking her pretty hard. Not trying to hurt her or bite just fighting the leash and withing 15 seconds two of the other dogs were on top of it pinned to the ground ready to deffend my wife so I don't question where their loyalty lies.
If you're going to keep a dog like this it's like owning a gun and not for everybody. I have three dogs (2 that require a dominate owner). If I stand over their bowl of food and growl they will go belly up to me. Each one is over 100 pounds and I trust them with my wife and kids 100% or they would be gone. This is an owner not a dog issue. The one dog I had that I questioned tried to bite me ONCE after we had it for about 9 months and while it may seem harsh that dog didn't make it through the night.
The one other dog we had that was a little more testy was still a nice dog but while my wife was trying to get it use to wearing a leash he started bucking her pretty hard. Not trying to hurt her or bite just fighting the leash and withing 15 seconds two of the other dogs were on top of it pinned to the ground ready to deffend my wife so I don't question where their loyalty lies.
NorCalDoug
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NorCalDoug
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But this kind of thing rarely happens...right?
I mean...there couldn't be two different attacks in neighboring cities on the same day, could there?
Stuff like this must be rare...
...and even if it did happen in the states...something like this would never happen...say, in Canada, would it?
The Candian thing must've been a fluke...this kind of thing seems to happen only in California...oh, wait...I guess it happens back east too...
...and in Chicago
...really? Australia too?
...luckily in Lawrence, Kansas, it's only dog-on-dog violence
...more dog-on-dog, but in this case, I think the pit just had a case of job-envy...can't blame the pooch for that, now can you?
And for a little balance...it's not just misunderstood dogs attacking people in Northern California...you gotta watch out for these guys...thankfully, not too many of them on the streets...
Going back to the topic of this thread...this one is just so Northern-California-hippie-middle-of-the-road, that both sides will find some problem with it...
Now, this I find VERY interesting...PETA? Anti-pit-bull??? How could that be??? Well maybe not everyone at PETA, but this person certainly doesn't seem to be a pit bull lover...
Just to show I'm not one-sided...I'll now post how pit bulls have saved people (a la Lassie style...)
Here's one...a pit bull saved my life
...hmmm...that seems to be it. I looked for more, but all the anti-pit-bull stories kept popping up...
I mean...there couldn't be two different attacks in neighboring cities on the same day, could there?
Stuff like this must be rare...
...and even if it did happen in the states...something like this would never happen...say, in Canada, would it?
The Candian thing must've been a fluke...this kind of thing seems to happen only in California...oh, wait...I guess it happens back east too...
...and in Chicago
...really? Australia too?
...luckily in Lawrence, Kansas, it's only dog-on-dog violence
...more dog-on-dog, but in this case, I think the pit just had a case of job-envy...can't blame the pooch for that, now can you?
And for a little balance...it's not just misunderstood dogs attacking people in Northern California...you gotta watch out for these guys...thankfully, not too many of them on the streets...
Going back to the topic of this thread...this one is just so Northern-California-hippie-middle-of-the-road, that both sides will find some problem with it...
Now, this I find VERY interesting...PETA? Anti-pit-bull??? How could that be??? Well maybe not everyone at PETA, but this person certainly doesn't seem to be a pit bull lover...
Just to show I'm not one-sided...I'll now post how pit bulls have saved people (a la Lassie style...)
Here's one...a pit bull saved my life
...hmmm...that seems to be it. I looked for more, but all the anti-pit-bull stories kept popping up...
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Approximating 17 deaths per year in a dog population of 53 million yields an infinitesimal percent of the dog population (.0000004%) involved in a human fatality.
When you compair deaths with something else then factor in the time spent with those animals the odds are dying in a plane crash are higher then being killed by a dog.
Deer - 211 Deaths per year.
Sharks - 52 Deaths per year.
I mean, let's face it, you hear about Dog deaths but don't know the past history of the dog or the kids and without either of those it's just guess work as to the cause.
When you compair deaths with something else then factor in the time spent with those animals the odds are dying in a plane crash are higher then being killed by a dog.
Deer - 211 Deaths per year.
Sharks - 52 Deaths per year.
I mean, let's face it, you hear about Dog deaths but don't know the past history of the dog or the kids and without either of those it's just guess work as to the cause.
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This covers all dog breeds; let's go with 2004:
2004 Statistics:
"20 dog-related human fatalities were reported in the United States in 2004
With the exception of two elderly ladies, all victims were under 10 years of age. About half of the victims were toddlers or newborns. The majority of the dogs involved were reported to be Rottweilers, Pit bulls and Chows. A significant portion of the 20 fatalities happened in the Spring or Summer months, and in the South. No fatality happened in the densely populated Northeast US or mid-Atlantic States. "
Other years' stats:
"The number of dogs. Approximately 35 percent of American households owned a dog in 1994, and the US dog population exceeded 52 million. (Wise JK, Yang JJ. Dog and cat ownership, 1991-1998. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1994;204:1166-7.)
The number of victims. A survey by the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta ("CDC") concludes that dogs bite nearly 2% of the U.S. population
-- more than 4.7 million people annually. (Sacks JJ, Kresnow M, Houston B. Dog bites: how big a problem? Injury Prev 1996;2:52-4.)
Almost 800,000 bites per year -- one out of every 6 -- are serious enough to require medical attention. Dog bites send nearly 334,000 victims to hospital emergency departments per year (914 per day). (National Center for Health Statistics National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey for 1992-1994.
See also the CDC update of much of that research, focusing on the year 2001, in which it was established that the number of people treated in emergency rooms was 368,245. CDC releases epidemiologic survey of dog bites in 2001 - September 15, 2003.)
Bites to children represent more than 50 percent of the total number cases. 26% of child-victims -- compared with 12% of the adults -- require medical care. (Ibid., National Center for Health Statistics, above.)
Getting bitten by a dog is the second most frequent cause of injury to children. (Weiss HB, Friedman DI, Coben JH. "Incidence of dog bite injuries treated in emegency departments," JAMA 1998;279:53.) Every year 2,851 letter carriers are bitten. (US Postal Service.) An American has a one in 50 chance of being bitten by a dog each year. (CDC.)"
Yeah...looks pretty trivial to me...914 ER visits per day? Not that big a deal
2004 Statistics:
"20 dog-related human fatalities were reported in the United States in 2004
With the exception of two elderly ladies, all victims were under 10 years of age. About half of the victims were toddlers or newborns. The majority of the dogs involved were reported to be Rottweilers, Pit bulls and Chows. A significant portion of the 20 fatalities happened in the Spring or Summer months, and in the South. No fatality happened in the densely populated Northeast US or mid-Atlantic States. "
Other years' stats:
"The number of dogs. Approximately 35 percent of American households owned a dog in 1994, and the US dog population exceeded 52 million. (Wise JK, Yang JJ. Dog and cat ownership, 1991-1998. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1994;204:1166-7.)
The number of victims. A survey by the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta ("CDC") concludes that dogs bite nearly 2% of the U.S. population
-- more than 4.7 million people annually. (Sacks JJ, Kresnow M, Houston B. Dog bites: how big a problem? Injury Prev 1996;2:52-4.)
Almost 800,000 bites per year -- one out of every 6 -- are serious enough to require medical attention. Dog bites send nearly 334,000 victims to hospital emergency departments per year (914 per day). (National Center for Health Statistics National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey for 1992-1994.
See also the CDC update of much of that research, focusing on the year 2001, in which it was established that the number of people treated in emergency rooms was 368,245. CDC releases epidemiologic survey of dog bites in 2001 - September 15, 2003.)
Bites to children represent more than 50 percent of the total number cases. 26% of child-victims -- compared with 12% of the adults -- require medical care. (Ibid., National Center for Health Statistics, above.)
Getting bitten by a dog is the second most frequent cause of injury to children. (Weiss HB, Friedman DI, Coben JH. "Incidence of dog bite injuries treated in emegency departments," JAMA 1998;279:53.) Every year 2,851 letter carriers are bitten. (US Postal Service.) An American has a one in 50 chance of being bitten by a dog each year. (CDC.)"
Yeah...looks pretty trivial to me...914 ER visits per day? Not that big a deal
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NorCalDoug
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Are you talking about deer actually attacking people? The 211 deaths per year by deer number I found were due to deer/auto collisions. Let's try an apple to apple comparisonsonoranfun said:
I mean...using your logic...sure, a person is more likely to be shot while hunting than killed by a dog...
but that's not the point, is it?
And where did you get your numbers on Shark related deaths?sonoranfun said:
In 2003, there were 55 attacks world-wide and 3 deaths? What year posted 52 deaths?
Between the year 1580 and 2003, there were 1909 CONFIRMED "unprovoked" shark attacks worldwide (over the course of 424 years):
United States 737 (attacks) 38 (deaths)
Hawaii 96 (attacks) 14 (deaths)
Australia 282 (attacks) 132 (deaths)
Africa 255 (attacks) 67 (deaths)
Asia 114 (attacks) 53 (deaths)
Europe 39 (attacks) 1 (deaths)
South America 89 (attacks) 21 (deaths)
Antilles and the Bahamas 57 (attacks) 19 (deaths)
Bermuda 4 (attacks) 0 (deaths)
Mexico and Central America 57 (attacks) 31 (deaths)
Pacific Islands, Oceania 115 (attacks) 48 (deaths)
New Zealand 44 (attacks) 9 (deaths)
Other 20 (attacks) 6 (deaths)
World 1909 (attacks) 456 (deaths)
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crushers
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Doug, you look like you are having fun....
Dogs can bite. dogs can attack. most dogs will not kill even if beaten, starved, molested or tormented.
to me there is a huge difference between, i got bit by a dog with 2 dogs kill human.
shepards are guard dogs protecting their property same with other guard dogs, this does not make them bad dogs but you should be very warry when someone is around that they do not know.
collies and other herding dogs are natural at trying to keep kids in the group so they might nip and break the skin so be careful with them around kids or smaller humans.
the breads that were bred to fight and kill are the ones i am most caucious around. they have in their makeup the ability to kill and i would be very nervous to have on as a pet but if you want to take the chance and if you find a good boy then go for it.
cheers
Dogs can bite. dogs can attack. most dogs will not kill even if beaten, starved, molested or tormented.
to me there is a huge difference between, i got bit by a dog with 2 dogs kill human.
shepards are guard dogs protecting their property same with other guard dogs, this does not make them bad dogs but you should be very warry when someone is around that they do not know.
collies and other herding dogs are natural at trying to keep kids in the group so they might nip and break the skin so be careful with them around kids or smaller humans.
the breads that were bred to fight and kill are the ones i am most caucious around. they have in their makeup the ability to kill and i would be very nervous to have on as a pet but if you want to take the chance and if you find a good boy then go for it.
cheers
NorCalDoug
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yep...just a little fun...crushers said:
I have 2 fairly large dogs of my own -- a 3/4 chow, 1/4 german shepard (pretty much looks and behaves like a full chow, for better or worse) and a large mutt (possibly great dane/shepard/???).
what does a mix of great dane/shepard look like?
NorCalDoug
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like a non-stocky pit bullbeaufort-fj60 said:
seriously, some people think he's pit bull. Maybe it's his coloring -- black/grey brindle.
we picked him up from the local spca. we suspect he was abused as a puppy -- he was very skittish when we first got him. he'll cringe if you scold him for something. He was aprox 4 months old when we adopted him. He's a good mellow dog for the most part. Not the brightest dog, but very loving and loyal.
I'll throw a pic up, if I can find one handy...
Very very sad indeed. My heart and prayers go out to the family... I have a Rottweiler who my wife and I adore and have not had any bad experiences whatsoever from 4 weeks of age to just over a year old... I hope and don't see any reason why it won't stay that way... And I will continue with the training and socialization to try and prevent these kinds of things...
NORCALDOUG--great posts on this thread mate
NORCALDOUG--great posts on this thread mate
mutts are great, you can really get some funky looking ones. Had a buddy when I was little that had a mix between and German Shepard and basset hound. it had the head and legs of basset and the body and tail of a German Shepard. it kind of hopped when it tried to run.
Dave!
man that sucks...no offense to eric, but i wouldn't own a pit bull.
i'll stick with scruffy ol' australian sheep dogs.
i'll stick with scruffy ol' australian sheep dogs.
