12yr old boy killed by family dog.
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As a child I grew up with a big male dog - big black lab who was never "altered" and he would never have thought of killing me, or even growling or biting me. (He did get into scuffles with other doggies though and I would have loved to see him take apart a man-eater for fun.
These "breeds" are just not for families with kids. I doubt there was a pencil in either of those two canine's ears.
Never heard of a lab killing a family member but perhaps there have been instances - I would be shocked if that were the case. Gots to be nuts to have an aggressive/unstable
"breed" with kids.
I understand that there is a lot of behavioral training that makes dogs more or less likely to attack humans, but please, be real: some breeds are docile and won't even growl when you take food away, some (like herders) will nip and others bite and some kill. I know what dogs I would choose to live with me. It is a shame for that family.
The different dog breeds have different temperments. No one can convince me otherwise. Training is great, but when things get hairy training goes by the wayside and the breed tendencies can be the difference between a smiling kid or a dead/mauled one.
Not worth it in my opinion.
I like how the article implies that the kid is at fault here. Nice. Perhaps he deserved a nip for doing something stupid, but getting killed is not something I would accept. "Was he being supervised at the time of the incident?" That is horsesh%t.
"Dogs, like people, have their own personalities, which often transcend breed types -- thus, a pit bull, like Thor, can easily be less aggressive than a labrador or golden retriever." - never happen.
These "breeds" are just not for families with kids. I doubt there was a pencil in either of those two canine's ears.
Never heard of a lab killing a family member but perhaps there have been instances - I would be shocked if that were the case. Gots to be nuts to have an aggressive/unstable
"breed" with kids.
I understand that there is a lot of behavioral training that makes dogs more or less likely to attack humans, but please, be real: some breeds are docile and won't even growl when you take food away, some (like herders) will nip and others bite and some kill. I know what dogs I would choose to live with me. It is a shame for that family.
The different dog breeds have different temperments. No one can convince me otherwise. Training is great, but when things get hairy training goes by the wayside and the breed tendencies can be the difference between a smiling kid or a dead/mauled one.
Not worth it in my opinion.
I like how the article implies that the kid is at fault here. Nice. Perhaps he deserved a nip for doing something stupid, but getting killed is not something I would accept. "Was he being supervised at the time of the incident?" That is horsesh%t.
"Dogs, like people, have their own personalities, which often transcend breed types -- thus, a pit bull, like Thor, can easily be less aggressive than a labrador or golden retriever." - never happen.
sorry dude -- that's your opinion --
-- the child would never be at fault -- the parent would, for improper supervision --
at least quote it right -- "Was he being supervised at the time of the incident?"
and you dont' know thor -- you just don't know him --
eric
-- the child would never be at fault -- the parent would, for improper supervision --
at least quote it right -- "Was he being supervised at the time of the incident?"
and you dont' know thor -- you just don't know him --
eric
erics_bruisers said:
That is crap Eric and you know it. These animals are beasts. They should not be kept as pets any sooner than a wild animal should. To say otherwise is an irresponsible crock of s***. They have been bred for centuries to do one thing. Kill! Just as a lab has a natural instinct to retrieve, these animals have an instinct to attack. Sure, some can be good pets, but then again some labs won't swim either. In short, I can leave my kids alone with my dogs and not have a care in the world. Would you leave children unsupervised with the beasts that you for some reason defends as harmless?
So, in a nutshell, the dogs attacked, therefore they cannot be pit bulls?erics_bruisers said:
Dude. That's about the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time.
I really expect better from you Eric.
erics_bruisers said:
Yeah, the 3 year old kid was at fault and the dog had every right to eat the kid in his defense. Right. Whatever. You shouldn't have to supervise a kid around a dog. The dog is supposed to protect, not attack the kids in the house. Quit breeding those monsters. I'm going to make it my goal to shoot 2 for every 1 that you breed. I'm not the only one who has this viewpoint. Pits kill. Pits maim. Pits destroy. A few might do fine as household dogs, but there are enough killers in that breed to justify pitbull extermination as a species.
-- if you have a question on something i wrote, it's worth asking, not interpreting it as extreme as you can --
-- i never said pit bulls can't attack, doug -- i don't know how you concluded to that --
-- and white shark, i don't breed -- please see my site -- www.spbr.org -- that's as anti-breeding as you can get --
eric
-- i never said pit bulls can't attack, doug -- i don't know how you concluded to that --
-- and white shark, i don't breed -- please see my site -- www.spbr.org -- that's as anti-breeding as you can get --
eric
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Here's an interesting list from the CDC. Note that Labs are present on the list.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
that's not really helpful when you consider there may be 50x more pit bulls out there (numbers-wise) than huskies --
-- do you have percentages?
also, this is helpful --
http://www.fataldogattacks.com/
-- do you have percentages?
also, this is helpful --
http://www.fataldogattacks.com/
If you read the full article you can get a lot more information, Eric. It attempts to be an objective scientific article (unlike the clearly agendized page you reference), and describes its methods and possible limitations. Further, it references other scientific articles on the subject, the data in which, I thought was interesting, suggests the top killer breeds change over time.
I never get out of the 80 series forum. I find this all very interesting. When I was a kid I was attacked twice by dogs and I literally had my life saved by a dog. Our neighbors had a retired police dog (German Shepherd) that was absolutely evil. He wasn't evil probably all of his life but he was adopted after being retired by some drug pushers which beat the crap out of him and made him mean. Our neighbors thought it was terrible how this dog had been abused so they adopted him. He jumped through a 7 foot high window in a garage (8 foot door) to come out and attack me while I was riding my bike down the sidewalk. I would have probably been shredded except our neighbor across the street left there yellow lab sitting on the step all day while they were at work. He saw I was in trouble and pinned the shepherd to the ground until I got to our house. Since that day I've been a lab fan. Our first lab is 13 years old and knocking on death's door. But I trust him completely with my 2.5 year old son. I even trusted him enough to take him to the school where I teach. And this dog bit me severely enough that I had to go to the hospital with a broken bone in my hand. I was breaking up a fight between him and another dog and his trachea got punctured when I was pulling the other dogs teeth out of his collar. Maybe I'm ignorant for trusting him so much? My second attack was by a female Doberman who had just given birth to some pups. I was delivering the newspaper and she came out of the garage and ripped my jeans right off of me. This was a dog I knew very well. I petted her every day on my paper route for 2 years prior to this incident. The owners had her put down and I've always felt bad about it. I'm not sure I harbor any ill feelings towards either of those breeds, but I'm wary of them.
My wife hates Rots. She was attacked by a Rot in near our home. It was our neighbors dog. My wife went absolutely nuts. She's small 5'4" and maybe 120 lbs. She picked up this 100 lb dog by the lips and tossed it over our 5 foot fence. I wouldn't have believed it but I was there to witness it. But the worse dog attack she ever had was from our babysitter's Dachsund's. She came in the back door to pick up our son. They were playing outside. She picked up our son and the dogs attacked her. She was black and blue all over her legs. Really severe bites. We believe they thought that she was trying to steal our son. I had a very scary experience once with a Rot. A 140lb dog came barrelling at me when I was going into the post office. I couldn't get back to my car or get in the post office. I just froze. That dog laid down at my feet and rolled over to have me scratch his belly. I thought for sure I was dead, but he just wanted some attention.
I feel badly every time I hear about a dog attack. It does seem that the pit bulls get more press than most of the other breeds. I won't personally ever put my family at risk of owning one. Eric is in a different situation, he doesn't have a family and he seems to be a responsible owner. Those are two things that I think the owners of that breed need to have. But just as my wife and my experiences show anything can happen with animals. Look at all the people who kill other people!
The wolves don't bother me, as I don't feel threatened by them. Man has screwed up the natural selection of things that there will never be a real balance. I can't say I feel the same about the mountain lions. They are too fast and too sneaky for my liking and we've taken away their fear by protecting them. And in Southern Idaho they are expanding territory and multiplying.
maybe I should just hang out in the 80s forum, this is too much like work?
My wife hates Rots. She was attacked by a Rot in near our home. It was our neighbors dog. My wife went absolutely nuts. She's small 5'4" and maybe 120 lbs. She picked up this 100 lb dog by the lips and tossed it over our 5 foot fence. I wouldn't have believed it but I was there to witness it. But the worse dog attack she ever had was from our babysitter's Dachsund's. She came in the back door to pick up our son. They were playing outside. She picked up our son and the dogs attacked her. She was black and blue all over her legs. Really severe bites. We believe they thought that she was trying to steal our son. I had a very scary experience once with a Rot. A 140lb dog came barrelling at me when I was going into the post office. I couldn't get back to my car or get in the post office. I just froze. That dog laid down at my feet and rolled over to have me scratch his belly. I thought for sure I was dead, but he just wanted some attention.
I feel badly every time I hear about a dog attack. It does seem that the pit bulls get more press than most of the other breeds. I won't personally ever put my family at risk of owning one. Eric is in a different situation, he doesn't have a family and he seems to be a responsible owner. Those are two things that I think the owners of that breed need to have. But just as my wife and my experiences show anything can happen with animals. Look at all the people who kill other people!
The wolves don't bother me, as I don't feel threatened by them. Man has screwed up the natural selection of things that there will never be a real balance. I can't say I feel the same about the mountain lions. They are too fast and too sneaky for my liking and we've taken away their fear by protecting them. And in Southern Idaho they are expanding territory and multiplying.
maybe I should just hang out in the 80s forum, this is too much like work?
sorry dave -- it looked like a chart to me, not an article -- i will click on the pdf --
eric
eric
This is a quote from dogbreedinfo.com... I honestly spent 3 months looking into the correct dog to fit into my family with three small children. I will agree pits are an extreem breed and while I wouldn't have one around my children I do not think they are bad dogs. The trouble is the lines and breedings, the history if not very well known can be from fighting dogs, I know some that would be trusted but I'll agree too many can't to take the chance.
With that said, my dogs are confused for pit all the time even being twice the size. I have watched my children play with them and know for fact the ABs will put up with far more then any other breed. Kids can be mean to a dog so having a breed that could snap is bad. The breed I have is very gental with my kids and have dealt with anything my kids do to them. Having said that the one I had the scared me one time I put down that day without a second thought.
here's a happy ending that doesn't follow the "all pits are bad" myth --
http://www.spbr.org/foreverhomes/2005/spring/Puddin/puddin.htm
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http://www.spbr.org/foreverhomes/2005/spring/Puddin/puddin.htm
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erics_bruisers said:
The pits across the street from where I work are only mildly aggressive when people go out to their cars. When I took my Boston out to do her business they became completely out of control. All who took her out where then warned to be very watchful-not that much could be done if one got loose. Now we have a new Boston at work and the same reaction from them. Things are different now though, I have my CCW so at least there is hope. If I can get close enough I'll check their ears for pencils
I did see a Rot attack a little girl in a mall pet store. Stupid pet shop, stupid owner, stupid dog and stupid parents = a little girl with a messed up face.
erics_bruisers said:
A 12 year old supervised with a "family" dog? You have to be kidding! My point is that with Labs or other breeds you don't need "supervision."
yes, my opinion. You can keep yours. But I will never, ever let my kids go near one of those dogs.
"myth?" You have to be kidding. Look at the CDC stats. The top killers are pit bulls. I suspect they are also responsible for a majority of injuries as well. I tend to doubt that when you normalize the data for number of pits and other breeds that that number falls below other breeds.erics_bruisers said:
The dogs work for you as pets. Great. But don't try to pass along some BS about them being great family dogs. That is idiocy. The mere fact that you start talking about how kids need to be supervised indicates the dog is not a "family dog." That is utter lunacy. Pit bulls bite. period. Some may be sweethearts and would never hurt anyone. However, many are not. Don't try to convince people that they are great pets. They were bred to kill other animals, not for working or for companionship. It is a damn shame, but wishing things just doesn't make them so.
sorry, long island -- you're being ignorant here -- not all of one breed are one thing -- and not all of pit bulls are biters -- you're wrong here --
-- on a positive note, here's a general site for preventing dog-bites --
-- mind the breeds noted as biters, but that's all propaganda, eh?
http://www.lizpalika.com/dogbite.html
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-- on a positive note, here's a general site for preventing dog-bites --
-- mind the breeds noted as biters, but that's all propaganda, eh?
http://www.lizpalika.com/dogbite.html
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LongIsland60 said:
deal then --
-- and i will never let my kids go near a motorcycle -- they're death machines, in my eyes --
-- also, have unaltered dogs in a pack around 12 year olds is irresponsible ownership, in my eyes -- by the parents, not the children (an obvious explanation, bu i guess i need to do that here)