100 series lift options

[Cruiserhead05]

This question is more for christo than anyone i guess..When will we start to see lift size increase for the 100's. Last time i was on your site all i saw was the 2 inch. 80 suspension lift range from 1-6 inches now. i realize there are different thing to address as both vehicle are totally different. Which bring me to another question, how big of a lift can a 100 handle, concerning the IFS and stuff? one more thing, how long do you think till we will start seeing a 3 or 4 inch lift on 100's and will it take serious front end mods.

 

[Jukelemon]

More lift would mean a complete cusotm front end to include new arms, coilovers, new bushings. Until the T bar can be avoided, I think we are kind of stuck. OR unless someone makes a kit that will facilitate a SFA from the 130/80 into the 100.

 

[ryanjl]

People are getting pretty much the max wheel travel the suspension design would allow with 35" tires right now, so a bigger lift really isn't necessary. Or at least until 100 series gears are developed that would allow someone to attempt 37" tires or something.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I'm at 2.75-inches front and 3.25 (maybe 3.5...I'd have to check) rear. Great set up. Wouldn't go back. (Would like a 4-5 inch though.)

 

[calamaridog]

Shotts, what benefit would additional lift give you? You are already hurting in the gearing department so larger tires are not an option... Seems like you may start to get into the tippy zone...


IFS rigs are always limited regarding suspension lift. CV angles can only /\/ so much before you have frequent failures. For example, a 4wd Tacoma/4runner can handle around 2.5 inches of suspension lift before the CV's start to fail.

Drop bracket kits are used for larger "lifts" on IFS vehicles but drop brackets do not hold up well to hard wheeling. I have seen tons of bent and broken drop bracket lifts on Tacomas!

Even a coilover conversion (which I am considering as a FUTURE possibilty) will not give more than 3" of suspension lift.

Long travel? Sure, it can be done for the right money. Custom arms, custom CV's, custom fiberglass fenders, etc. Maybe $10-20,000? depending on options. But that isn't really for "lift", it's for suspension travel.

There is nothing holding anyone back from doing a SAS on their 100. Their have been several SAS Tundras... Just call AJ at BENTUP and tell him what you want to do. Oh yea, open up you check book, cause it aint gonna be cheap! Even the "kits" for the mini's are custom jobs, as they require cutting and fabricating.

Ok, so what crazy SOB is going to SAS their 100??? I'll buy the beer, torch off the old suspension, and grind everything nice and flat. All you have to do it weld, cause my bugger welds aren't going to be driven on! BTW, I want those CV's!!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts, what benefit would additional lift give you? You are already hurting in the gearing department so larger tires are not an option... Seems like you may start to get into the tippy zone...


IFS rigs are always limited regarding suspension lift. CV angles can only /\/ so much before you have frequent failures. For example, a 4wd Tacoma/4runner can handle around 2.5 inches of suspension lift before the CV's start to fail.

Drop bracket kits are used for larger "lifts" on IFS vehicles but drop brackets do not hold up well to hard wheeling. I have seen tons of bent and broken drop bracket lifts on Tacomas!

Even a coilover conversion (which I am considering as a FUTURE possibilty) will not give more than 3" of suspension lift.

Long travel? Sure, it can be done for the right money. Custom arms, custom CV's, custom fiberglass fenders, etc. Maybe $10-20,000? depending on options. But that isn't really for "lift", it's for suspension travel.

There is nothing holding anyone back from doing a SAS on their 100. Their have been several SAS Tundras... Just call AJ at BENTUP and tell him what you want to do. Oh yea, open up you check book, cause it aint gonna be cheap! Even the "kits" for the mini's are custom jobs, as they require cutting and fabricating.

Ok, so what crazy SOB is going to SAS their 100??? I'll buy the beer, torch off the old suspension, and grind everything nice and flat. All you have to do it weld, cause my bugger welds aren't going to be driven on! BTW, I want those CV's!!!

To improve APP and DEP angles to compensate for the 100's larger size (95% of it's only disadvantage off-road IMO). I luv tippy (kidding )

I think there's another couple of inches to go before getting tippy. I do not plan on ever having a roof rack so that helps. I'd like to gain another inch lift up front and restore up and down travel amounts to stock at the same mod. Sounds like drop brackets. I'd have to guess that somebody can make strong ones?

 

[calamaridog]

I've been thinking about the whole approach and departure problem and as much as I love those bumpers you are running, I think I may go another route. I want to do something lighter weight, maybe tube style? I'm just not sure???

BTW, keep those pictures coming. They are an inspiration to me to save for some mods!

I'm planning on running some 33's for a while, at least until some 4.88's are available!

I have no idea what "custom" drop bracket style lift would cost? I don't even know if you could do a drop bracket style on the 100?

All I know is that I've seen failures on Procrap and Fagtech both. The best drop bracket lift so far for the Tacoma is the Tuff Country 5". You'll notice Peter is running KING coilovers with his Tuff Country. Quite bitching actually. Check out Peter Parks site here:

http://www.parksoffroad.com/

Peter has some great write ups for your Tacoma... Which brings me to my next question. Why fix the 100 up any more? It is already quite capable. You've got the 80 for "hard" trails, the 100 for off roading in style, and where does the Tacoma fit in? If you want a bitching rock rig, the Taco is the best bet out of your 3 choices... And you don't seem to have any hangups with scatching your new cars LOL.

 

[UltraFJ40]

Hey Calamari,
I caught up to you. Recheck Yotatechs "own a cruiser too?" (02Runner) I posted right after you. Now I'm here in the 100 thread too.

I can tell you guys fom what was posted early raising concerns over suffering in the gearing dept, that APodvin was running 38's on the cut up 100 and didn't suffer too much from the additional rubber he was turning. I think a few members here wheeled with him when he had that set up.

In fact I had that truck with 36x14.5 PJ's on it and it was fine.

Oh, the extra clearance was accomplished with body lift. Maybe a 1-1.5 BL would get you what you need Shotts. A 1" would probably my choice.

Doug M.

 

[UltraFJ40]

BTW: You could always supercharge it.

Here is a linky to Alan's 100 with 38's, just a few pics. I have some of it here in Fla, but not on this PC.

Linky: https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=15434&page=3&pp=30&highlight=podvin


Doug

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Don't want the gears for power. Plenty of that. Want them to restore crawl ratio. I'd go right to the 35's DOG!

As for bumpers. If I get a 2nd 100 I'll do the same thing to it I did to my 80. Cut the frames, tuck in bumpers to reduce size. Since this 100 was bought new and was a project truck, I'll keep it pretty. No body lifts though. That would destroy the vehicles looks as all the bumpers and sliders would have a gap.

Why do more to the 100? Cuz all you poopheads ( ) want to see it rock in Moab. It's those APP and DEP angles I'm concerned about. OK, I lied. I WANT TO see it rock in Moab.

 

[calamaridog]

Well, the gearing will get the power band restored whether you miss it or not. When you get it back, you will be glad.

The body lift would suck and you would have to get new mounts fabbed for the bumpers which would be expensive.

And yes, I'm starting to think I'd like to mod the hell out of the 100 and go wheel the Con and Moab just to shut some mouths. Next year you need to take the 100 to Moab and I'll show up for moral support and some easy trails LOL.

Damn, I need a second job!

 

[calamaridog]

Doug, gearing sure does help! After getting stuck behind several rigs with crawlers, I can tell you it sucks to have high gearing. I'm used to driving a manual transmission so the problem is much worse than on an automatic.

I'm not wild about the supercharger idea. Too high maintenance for me. The new VVT motor would be bitching though.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Well, the gearing will get the power band restored whether you miss it or not. When you get it back, you will be glad.

The body lift would suck and you would have to get new mounts fabbed for the bumpers which would be expensive.

And yes, I'm starting to think I'd like to mod the hell out of the 100 and go wheel the Con and Moab just to shut some mouths. Next year you need to take the 100 to Moab and I'll show up for moral support and some easy trails LOL.

Damn, I need a second job!

Don't give up on this year. I'm trying DAILY to convince myself to leave the 80 home and take the 100 to Cruise Moab. Let's all pray the 80 has a failure RIGHT BEFORE Cruise Moab? (Or, let's pray for a 100 dent right before so I don't care. )

 

[calamaridog]

Well, I can't go, so I'll miss it anyways. Next year I will block off the vacation for CM06. Hopefully by then I'll have my rig properly equipped!

 

[UltraFJ40]

I didn't think of the hill and crawl issues. My bad.

Come to think of it I haven't seen a hill for more than a year or two. We have flat sand and just a smidgen of water here.


Doug

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I didn't think of the hill and crawl issues. My bad.

Come to think of it I haven't seen a hill for more than a year or two. We have flat sand and just a smidgen of water here.


Doug

Ya, we don't need the help going up , we need it going down....

 

[reffug]

Don't give up on this year. I'm trying DAILY to convince myself to leave the 80 home and take the 100 to Cruise Moab. Let's all pray the 80 has a failure RIGHT BEFORE Cruise Moab? (Or, let's pray for a 100 dent right before so I don't care. )

Stop whaffaling on this issue Shottz, I do believe the gauntlet was thrown down by you and accepted by Robbie and Christo . Make up your mind dude.

 

[HDJ100L]

whats wrong?

hi guys! im new here. i would like to ask your suggestion. few months ago i changed my suspension with ome 4 shocks 2 rear spring and torsion bar. the shop who install my suspension kit cranked the torsion bar for more than 2inches. when i reached home i noticed that the inner axle boot was leaking grease, maybe the axle went beyond the limit of the height and the axle band went loose so i used a zip tie to clamp it temporarily now here is my questions.
1. should i drop the front? crank down the torsion bar? or
2. should i just buy the diff drop kit from slee?

also, when i run through the bump stop fast i could hear that the shock in front stretch to the maximun length.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Diff drop. I'm at 2.75 inches with a diff drop and no problems (though I have stiffer T-bars).