ShottsUZJ100 said:
John, where will said article be? I sub to 4WDTO and joined TLCA not too terribly long ago so I'll be getting TT soon. Which one will it be in?
Doug, that typeset looks much better in italic. My eyes are at ease now.
100 on the Rubicon?
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John, where will said article be? I sub to 4WDTO and joined TLCA not too terribly long ago so I'll be getting TT soon. Which one will it be in?
Doug, that typeset looks much better in italic. My eyes are at ease now.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
I picture a bunker, 1 mile under the Earth's surface, accessible only by the multi-billion dollar elevator that runs between it and Shott's master bedroom.
In the bunker, 50 of the top scientists from around the world, all dedicated to the Toyota Land Cruiser UZJ-100.
All statistical data, every repair ever made, ever crack, every failure. Every mod on every 100 series in THE WHOLE WORLD is annalized by this brain-trust. All reports are then put together in a Power-point that Shotts reviews at his daily briefing.
Yep, it's a friggin' Agency, possibly government-run, and Shotts is the director. I'm working on some counter-surveillance measures and hope to have spy-photos of this black op as soon as possible...unless Shotts gets to me first.
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tabraha said:John, where will said article be? I sub to 4WDTO and joined TLCA not too terribly long ago so I'll be getting TT soon. Which one will it be in?
Doug, that typeset looks much better in italic. My eyes are at ease now.
My 2001 should be featured in a multi-page spread in Off-Road Magazine next month or the month after. Though I have a 100+ pics they took for the shoot I can't post them until the mag comes out.
I have a pic (I don't think they'll use...but I can't post) of the 100 posing on a huge ramped rock. Everybody poses their truck there and I've posed the 100 and 80 here before. I have these shotts to compare and they prove my claims in the immense improvements those N74L shocks made.
The 80's front wheel can make it to the top of the rock, though at the very end it wanted to lift the rear wheel....but it didn't.
The 100 with the L-shocks can now top the rock and was stable the entire climb. More stable than the 80 was though I'm sure that's due to more weight. And yes...the other front wheel was on the ground too.
The other pic of the 100 with the 100 N-shocks....I couldn't get within the last FOOT climb to the rock's top. The thing would teeter-todder and begin to lift the rear wheel. It felt unstable and I feared slipping off the rock. This used to happen on rocks, in uneven terrain, and all those typical 4-wheeling places. Now the capability is increased dramatically to the point where the 100 feels like the 80. They're that close though the skeptics don't believe it....but who cares.
The L-shock improvement has proven itself as valuable on the 100 as they are on the 80's. There will always be negative skeptics (for whatever their reasons) though somehow they don't discount the improvement when L-shocks are used on the rear of an 80.
Go figure. My guess is that if they spent the money on a 100, build-it right, and test it out, they then would shuddduppp.
Thanks for ellaborating John. Now I gotta get another 4wd mag! My wife is always picking on me about my mags everywhere. Anyhow, thanks for the persistent development of your 100. It opens doors for the rest of us, mostly at your expense I might add.
I want to also make sure I have this right in my mind as well: When you say your 100 is going almost anywhere your 80 is going, your not talking about a stock 80. You're comparing to a modded 80, and not a lightly modded 80 at that; one with L-series shocks and a cut frame among other things. Or are you referencing your 80 when it was stock?
I want to also make sure I have this right in my mind as well: When you say your 100 is going almost anywhere your 80 is going, your not talking about a stock 80. You're comparing to a modded 80, and not a lightly modded 80 at that; one with L-series shocks and a cut frame among other things. Or are you referencing your 80 when it was stock?
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tabraha said:
Well, the 100 can't a follow an 80 everywhere. The 100's bigger, plus you can lift an 80 WAY UP.
Yes, I'm comparing my 100 to my 80, though due to size, bumpers, and the like my 80 can do obstacles the 100 can't, though mainly because of size.
What I'm saying is that for the FIRST TIME, both rigs FEEL and WORK the same on the trail. The 100's not a "wheel-lifter" any longer. It doesn't get tippy dropping off ledges at an angle any more. All that stuff. Though the 100 could follow, the 80 always felt more like a billy goat. More stable. That's not the case any longer. They drive and handle obstacles almost identically now. That is a major achievement and from something so easy...a shock change!
bad_religion_au said:
Would appear then, "you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink........"
SINCITY100 said:
We have in the last 12 months done an A arm fix on 27 IFS 100's, 17 of which were already broken, and we have 8 more booked in for over the next few weeks.
We have also helped in repairing 3 broken front cw & p, fixed 4 broken cv boots, and replaced numourous aftermarket shockers in the front of the IFS 100.
2 4wd clubs in my state have stopped 100's from doing "key starts" in reverse, downhill, because they currently have a better than 50% breakage rate of front diffs.
[We have also fixed 13 RFA broken front diffs with our 'fix" 3 of which have come back with broken cv's, but no broken diffs]
We havent fixed an 80 series one in that time. [but have before inc my own]
All data, no 'heresay"
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All good in theory though your numbers and conclusion are off. No need for me to try to convince. I have the thing and eveyone in AZ who seen the difference is amazed. I'll be able to post side by sides after the article is released.
No theory here John, but we didnt line up everyone who has seen ours for comment, without any data..
The tape measure doesnt lie, we have tried them all, because we have our own line of suspension, the 100 being our major seller, mostly to people who have ridden in a vehicle with our suspension, and we remove more OME than any other [inc OEM] and the rear shock we use has within 20mm of the same amount of travel as the OME, but with a much better shock to control the movement, and a longer front, and no need for a bump stop spacer, to take away the 20mm difference.....
And if you dont have a spacer, then your going to bottom that shock one day......
DCLEE no shock you mentioned really works well on the front of an IFS 100, and Rancho are the worst of the worst, they come in the length you want, not the valving you need....
Tough dog dont cut it, and trouble getting warranty when they dont [we wont fit them @ our shop] but we have developed a Bilstein shock which works extremely well on the 100, and uses toyota part no bonded bushes front and rear, which last for ever.
Christo should have some shortly.
Well, the 100 is to heavy, and to fragile for my use, though i did build its smaller brother, the 90 series, with IFS, and make it work extremely well, to show IFS could work, in the right truck, for the right use, because we are extremely open minded, and go by data, and make changes to ensure vehicles are as good as they can be, within the customers budget, so our sampling comes from a much bigger pool of vehicles, than one.......
Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100
All good in theory though your numbers and conclusion are off. No need for me to try to convince. I have the thing and eveyone in AZ who seen the difference is amazed. I'll be able to post side by sides after the article is released.
No theory here John, but we didnt line up everyone who has seen ours for comment, without any data..
The tape measure doesnt lie, we have tried them all, because we have our own line of suspension, the 100 being our major seller, mostly to people who have ridden in a vehicle with our suspension, and we remove more OME than any other [inc OEM] and the rear shock we use has within 20mm of the same amount of travel as the OME, but with a much better shock to control the movement, and a longer front, and no need for a bump stop spacer, to take away the 20mm difference.....
And if you dont have a spacer, then your going to bottom that shock one day......
DCLEE no shock you mentioned really works well on the front of an IFS 100, and Rancho are the worst of the worst, they come in the length you want, not the valving you need....
Tough dog dont cut it, and trouble getting warranty when they dont [we wont fit them @ our shop] but we have developed a Bilstein shock which works extremely well on the 100, and uses toyota part no bonded bushes front and rear, which last for ever.
Christo should have some shortly.
ShottsUZJ100 said:My guess is that if they spent the money on a 100, build-it right, and test it out, they then would shuddduppp.
Well, the 100 is to heavy, and to fragile for my use, though i did build its smaller brother, the 90 series, with IFS, and make it work extremely well, to show IFS could work, in the right truck, for the right use, because we are extremely open minded, and go by data, and make changes to ensure vehicles are as good as they can be, within the customers budget, so our sampling comes from a much bigger pool of vehicles, than one.......
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ats4x4dotcom said:
Sounds good. That's all fine. Though my results between N's and L's is astounding. I don't care why, how, measuring, who.....I just know the improvement off road on my vehicle is amazing. If you don't want to believe it that's your choice.
What is the difference in spec between the N74 and N74L, in terms of compressed and extended length? Does the rear shocks on the 100 also mount on the inside of the frame rail as with the 80?
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Not sure on the 80 shocks. After question and after question over a year-long time, Slee stepped up and eyballed the swap for me. It looked doable and I did it. Here's a link:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=63422&highlight=N74L+Shotts
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=63422&highlight=N74L+Shotts
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ats4x4dotcom said:
Had a few extra minutes so I thought I'd write this:
I'm curious if you looked at my site? It shows that I already had lowered rear bump stops. I have them so the 35's don't rub, but rarely. They did limit the N-shock slightly.
By adding the 1-inch longer L-shock I gained an automatic inch compression travel and 2.6 inches extension travel. I gained the automatic inch compression travel because the shock is an inch longer and it offers 1.6 inches more overall travel. So bump-stopped I gain 1 of the 1.6" added travel. Add that to the 2.6 inches droop.
The numbers may not seem like much and I never expected this improvement. I got lucky.
FirstToy said:DMC,
along with those 100series billies, did you happen to toss in a batch of those 120 recovery brackets?
I can, and should, along with some 100 ifs recovery brackets.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
OK, now we are getting to the bottom of some of your "perceived" improvement.
Firsty, you limited the travel of your original OME shock by 2" by adding a bump stop spacer, so by adding a 2.6" longer shock, you got back your standard amount of travel, + .6 of an inch, so over all you have gained half an inch of travel over what your last shocks had before the bump stop spacer, its just working 2" lower compressed, and extended, but overall the same amount of travel [within 1/2"].
This is where data tells me what we use has the same travel within 20mm [3/4"] without the bump stop spacer.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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ShottsUZJ100 said:
John, you LOST 1" compressesion travel but gained 2.6" of extension travel.
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sleeoffroad said:
Yes...1.6" more travel.
I'm sure your right. The numbers lose me. I have a hard time grasping comp/ext/whatever. I should stop talking "techy".
NorCalDoug
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ShottsUZJ100 said:
Agreed.
John,
Go ahead and post that shot. I did not use that one in the article...
Should be hitting the shelves with the March issue. Look for loads of Toyota and adventure content in Off-Road Magazine now.
I guess the average reader has grown tired of the "rock buggy" phase, and want to read about real trucks on real trails. That is good for all of us
Go ahead and post that shot. I did not use that one in the article...
Should be hitting the shelves with the March issue. Look for loads of Toyota and adventure content in Off-Road Magazine now.
I guess the average reader has grown tired of the "rock buggy" phase, and want to read about real trucks on real trails. That is good for all of us
