100 on the Rubicon?

[bad_religion_au]

So far...no IFS failures have occured out there on severe obstacles.

your right... they brake far before that... aussie mags have busted IFS diffs on STANDARD tires during their testing on easy tracks in the aussie outback

also there is a HUGE thing going on here in Aust, with the suspension arms cracking from mild offroad use.

 

[NorCalDoug]

I can appreciate that Alvaro. You and me have the same ideas for our trucks use.

Regarding the wheel lifting? I can relate. That lack of stability was the one thing that always felt different in the 100. The 80 just felt more planted. That's now not the case. Since I have the L-shocks on the 100 the flex is almost the same as the 80. On the trail I can BARELY tell a difference now. I have comparing pics though I'm not allowed to post them yet. They compare the L-100 with a regular 100 and an L-80. I'm sure these shocks would help a lot on the Rubi.

 

[tabraha]

That italic font is screwy looking! That A in barely is frickin' HUGE!!!!

 

[NorCalDoug]

That italic font is screwy looking! That A in barely is frickin' HUGE!!!!

you don't like Garamond?



How's that? Better?

 

[Greg B]

your right... they brake far before that... aussie mags have busted IFS diffs on STANDARD tires during their testing on easy tracks in the aussie outback

The 2000+ models went to a 4 pinion diff. Also, it's easy to add an ARB and that problem is solved. Anyone serious about running the Rubicon would address this long before they hit the trail.

also there is a HUGE thing going on here in Aust, with the suspension arms cracking from mild offroad use.

That's an interesting topic and has been discussed here in the past. It seems the real issue with that is the washboard driving aspect. In the US, we drive on smooth pavement until we hit the trails. We don't do nearly as much of that type of driving as do Aussie owners. I have not seen anyone post from the US with that problem. It is interesting none the less.

If you have some info to add, I would love to hear it. If you're just bashing the 100 to be a jerk, well

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

your right... they brake far before that... aussie mags have busted IFS diffs on STANDARD tires during their testing on easy tracks in the aussie outback

also there is a HUGE thing going on here in Aust, with the suspension arms cracking from mild offroad use.

No UZJ models have been found with cracks.

The diffs? Both 80 and 100 front diffs have had issues. As GregB reported, they mad eimprovements in 2000+. Though as Slee said, ARB is stronger in an 80 or a 100.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

And you dispute this how? Have you ever seen a 100 with a suspension like mine?

The rear ends are identical.
The front end gives a 2" travel nod to my 80's.

That's it. You believe what you want, though to criticize when you have no experience with this suspension is irresponsible.

 

[NorCalDoug]

And you dispute this how? Have you ever seen a 100 with a suspension like mine?

The rear ends are identical.
The front end gives a 2" travel nod to my 80's.

That's it. You believe what you want, though to criticize when you have no experience with this suspension is irresponsible.

Irresponsible? True, blathering on about things that one knows very little or nothing about is irresponsible.

Are you calling me black Mr. Potts?


The is in reference to your constant use of words like ALMOST and BARELY and CLOSE TO and NEARLY when describing the capabilities of your 100 to an 80. ALMOST isn't IS. BARELY isn't IS...NEARLY doesn't cut it on the trail all the time.


You want to prove otherwise? Get a loan for some brass huevos and bring the 100 to the Rubicon.





almost...barely...puhleeeeeeeze

 

[dclee]

Irresponsible? True, blathering on about things that one knows very little or nothing about is irresponsible.

Are you calling me black Mr. Potts?

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[dclee]

And you dispute this how? Have you ever seen a 100 with a suspension like mine?

Hey John, I think Amando has a suspension like yours. In fact, I think it's identical to yours. And yes, we have seen it ACTUALLY on the Rubicon. Side by side with 80s on the same trail at the same time. Easy comparison for Doug to make.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hey John, I think Amando has a suspension like yours. In fact, I think it's identical to yours. And yes, we have seen it ACTUALLY on the Rubicon. Side by side with 80s on the same trail at the same time. Easy comparison for Doug to make.

Ahhh, don't think this is so. From what we can tell, I'm the first to run N74L shocks on a UZJ100. Their improvement is dramatic over N-series 100 shocks. In large rocks, ruts, and the like, the improvment is priceless.

 

[bad_religion_au]

No UZJ models have been found with cracks.

The diffs? Both 80 and 100 front diffs have had issues. As GregB reported, they mad eimprovements in 2000+. Though as Slee said, ARB is stronger in an 80 or a 100.

your stats, toyota warranty stats, bullitin board stats, or has someone personally inspected every UZJ?

the comment i referred to was your "no IFS failures on hard obsticles". you didn't specify that we were talking about upgraded parts...

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

your stats, toyota warranty stats, bullitin board stats, or has someone personally inspected every UZJ?

Bad religion, your a worse web wheeler than shotts, you make your own quotes out of crap other people made their own quotes out of.

I doubt you have driven a vehicle less than 10 years old anywhere, let alone a late model cruiser ifs or RFA anywhere, and if you have, then you musnt of learnt much from it, because your posts are just rhetoric.......

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

Ahhh, don't think this is so. From what we can tell, I'm the first to run N74L shocks on a UZJ100. Their improvement is dramatic over N-series 100 shocks. In large rocks, ruts, and the like, the improvment is priceless.

Your probably right there shotts, no one else has bothered, because the travel isnt any more, you just need to fit a bump stop spacer for no reason other than you put a shock which is to long in here, so it can droop an inch more.... and i wouldnt be beating my chest about fitting OME shocks to anything.........

Fine if your running 35's or 37's, where you need to stop tyres rubbing, by moving the same amount of travel in a different top out and bottom out point, but a waste of time otherwise.

Apart from the diesel model A arm cracking which is caused from hitting the bump stops, [normally with the torsion bars to soft but adjusted up for the extra height] the front diffs also break the crownwheel, and when it does it normally breaks in half or 3rds, and the broken bit smashes the housing. This is more common than birfs on an IFS 100 over here from our experience.

 

[SINCITY100]

If I may...In 15+ years of Toyota (USA) parts and service employment, I have NEVER sold a 100 series IFS-related part due to breakage or failure...Not one T-bar...not one lower controll arm, not one CV shaft, not even a ball joint or tie rod end...This speaks volumes (in my opinion) about the design and reliability of these key items...

I am not saying that IFS parts are indestructable ( we ALL know better than that !) , but the frequency of failure is VERY, VERY low

With that said, why dont we just recognize the differences between strengths, weaknesses and benefits of each design and move on !!

Unless you are an idiot, I think it is obvious that the (U.S. and abroad) market forced Toyota to go with a little more "overall consumer" design when they built the 100 series cruiser... we are just trying to make it as capable as possible with what we have to work with

Does John shoot off his mouth here and there? Sure...So will I when I feel as though my (seemingly worthless to many ) 100 can tame some of the harder trails and runs ...But give credit where credit is due...the IFS 100 is more than just a pavement dweller...

And Remember what us 100 drivers have to work with...The biggest and BY FAR the most heavy L/C built to date.. sorry if it may not be the most capable cruiser ever built....

I feel better now......

 

[dclee]

and i wouldnt be beating my chest about fitting OME shocks to anything.........

What do you guys think about the Rancho RS9000 series? I have heard that these enjoy some popularity in Oz and South Africa, as people have blown out OMEs too often. What about some Oz-only options like Ironman or Tough Dogs?

Thanks,

 

[calamaridog]

What do you guys think about the Rancho RS9000 series? I have heard that these enjoy some popularity in Oz and South Africa, as people have blown out OMEs too often. What about some Oz-only options like Ironman or Tough Dogs?

Thanks,

Are you goading him or something?

 

[dclee]

Are you goading him or something?

Huh?

Umm, no, he's from Australia, and they have shock options there that we don't have here. I subscribe to Australian 4WD Monthly and they recently had a good review of the Ironman suspension setup for the IFS 100. I've also read articles on the Tough Dog products being very, well, tough. I'm just looking for his opinion on them. Might be worth looking to import. Or go with Ranchos when I get around to lifting my truck in two years or so...

 

[bad_religion_au]

Bad religion, your a worse web wheeler than shotts, you make your own quotes out of crap other people made their own quotes out of.

I doubt you have driven a vehicle less than 10 years old anywhere, let alone a late model cruiser ifs or RFA anywhere, and if you have, then you musnt of learnt much from it, because your posts are just rhetoric.......

do you honestly doubt that... well that's your issue. i regularly do fieldwork to western australia on the universities dime... i doubt that means vehicles older than 10.

also before that i frequently used the fleet of new 4x4 vehicles through Deakin university. would you like to call them and find out what vehicles they were? do you need to see my signature on the signout books?

i find your rhetoric offensive

also i wheel with a couple of new vehicles on occasion at the local wheeling spot... that bit i can't prove...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Your probably right there shotts, no one else has bothered, because the travel isnt any more, you just need to fit a bump stop spacer for no reason other than you put a shock which is to long in here, so it can droop an inch more.... and i wouldnt be beating my chest about fitting OME shocks to anything.........

Fine if your running 35's or 37's, where you need to stop tyres rubbing, by moving the same amount of travel in a different top out and bottom out point, but a waste of time otherwise.

All good in theory though your numbers and conclusion are off. No need for me to try to convince. I have the thing and eveyone in AZ who seen the difference is amazed. I'll be able to post side by sides after the article is released.