100 on the Rubicon?
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sleeoffroad said:Hey, if I did not want to get paid, I can just hack the IFS off this 100 that I have in the back and put a SFA under it.
Yea right, cut up the clean one. You'll SAS a wrecked one maybe.
I just don't see John running the Rubicon in his 100 and I don't blame him...
Cruiserdrew
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FirstToy said:Ralphie!
LOL
great movie, a classic
Incorrect-Ralphie runs away when the bell rings. If I remember right the boy stuck to the pole is Flick, who is triple-dog dared by Schwartz.
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Andy is right, it's Flick. There's a marathon of A Christmas Story on TBS every xmas eve.
For quadruple bonus points, name the book the movie is adapted from and the author.
On an aside, is it really such a good idea to invite the Beater of Dead Horses (his native American name) to the Rubicon run? Mud will never hear the end of it if he makes it w/out having to trailer his rig home
For quadruple bonus points, name the book the movie is adapted from and the author.
On an aside, is it really such a good idea to invite the Beater of Dead Horses (his native American name) to the Rubicon run? Mud will never hear the end of it if he makes it w/out having to trailer his rig home
Cruiserdrew
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Cube Dweller said:On an aside, is it really such a good idea to invite the Beater of Dead Horses (his native American name) to the Rubicon run? Mud will never hear the end of it if he makes it w/out having to trailer his rig home
I think we're safe. As Doug pointed out, Shotts is all talk and no action.
Cruiserdrew
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e9999 said:
Greetings Eric-Obviously, you missed the posts about yanking Shotts chain.
I am actually hoping he comes along, and that he does well (and likely he would if careful).
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Cruiserdrew said:
I cant wait to see what he does to his "next" 100 with all that money he`s making ..
SINCITY100 said:I cant wait to see what he does to his "next" 100 with all that money he`s making ..
Of course, once he SFA's it, he can no longer claim it's the same thing as his IFS 100, so running it on the Rubicon won't have the same meaning...
IOW, we won't have achieved a thing towards resolving any disagreements about the capabilities of the 100 Series!
Cruiserdrew said:Greetings Eric-Obviously, you missed the posts about yanking Shotts chain.
use your smileys, Andy! this is the web!
btw, good to have you here in the real cruisers section, even if it's cuz you're followin' John everywhere...
when will you buy your first 100?
I think Amando has done a pretty good job illustrating the limits of a 100 with stock IFS. I applaud his efforts to be the first 100 to run Moab and the Rubicon. I doubt anyone will exceed his accomplishments without some beefier components added. I am very curious how much farther he could have pushed the IFS before it buckled.
I doubt that Shotts, or anyone else for that matter, will be able to build a much more capable 100 without someone bringing new products to the market place. Chopping the frames for better approach and departure angles may help somewhat. But, until the IFS and steering pieces can be upgraded, the 100 will still have to be very carefull or it won't make it out of trails like the Rubicon.
I doubt that Shotts, or anyone else for that matter, will be able to build a much more capable 100 without someone bringing new products to the market place. Chopping the frames for better approach and departure angles may help somewhat. But, until the IFS and steering pieces can be upgraded, the 100 will still have to be very carefull or it won't make it out of trails like the Rubicon.
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Greg B said:
I've been bombed at work and not able to post. Thanks too all for their lovely commentation the past 24-hours. It's very productive.
Greg: It's obvious that the SFA is better suited for the most extreme obstacles. I say "obstacles" because the 100's ran the Rubicon Trail successfully. While a SFA would have helped in MANY places, I believe there were only a handful that threatened the IFS.
This is also the case anywhere you'll 4-wheel a 100. I'm sure there are places and lines on the Rubi you can't or shouldn't try in an 80 too.
I think too many people look at the 100's IFS and a HALF-EMPTY glass rather than a HALF-FULL one. Did Amando's front-end bust? No. Everybody said it was badly buckled so they stopped...but it didn't break. Had he continued it might have broke and on possibly the hardest spot on the hardest trail. Had he continued and it not broke then it might have shown how amazing the 100 is for holding together. But we don't know. I believe he already showed that durability based on the desciptions of how bad it was before he backed out.
So far...no IFS failures have occured out there on severe obstacles. My 100's glass is half FULL. Until it fails me I have total confidence in the vehicle's design. All some talk about are rocks. I'm bamboozled on this. You have no IDEA HOW MANY TIMES that TRAC has climbed the rig sucessfully while locked 80's slid into the ditch or off the ledge. The are MANY places where IFS and TRAC, and the 100's added improvements surpass a rig like the 80-series.
Read the review on the FJ Cruiser though the Rubi. Read the comments about locker and TRAC and how they differ in real-life usage.
And Derek's probably correct. I was excited yesterday when closing that deal and meantioned SAS. I may not do that. Don't know.
OK, post the horse thingy's now. I'll be back on in a couple a days and see them.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Happen to check the title of this thread?
and no one is "half-empty" on the 100. I think everyone here said they really like the 100. Just because people are being realistic doesn't make them negative.
You do an amazing job of spinning Amando's trail stories; I bet it will end up a fantastic tale once you are done with it
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sleeoffroad
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ShottsUZJ100 said:
Yeah, but when that glass breaks, you better have a spare and know how to use it
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Then don't you agree with me that he demonstrated the limits of the IFS?
ShottsUZJ100 said:
I completely agree with what you are saying. I think we are making the same point. The 100 is very capable. However, Amando has demonstrated the limitations of the IFS. It's obvious that the IFS reached it's limits. Even if it didn't break, pushing it like that for very long will cause failure. Maybe not that time, but the next time. Those parts aren't meant to be tweaked like that.
For me, part of the allure of the 100, and an 80 for that matter, is that you can drive them across the country in comfort, run tough trails, and then drive it back home in one piece.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Although I agree with you that there have been no failures, I can certainly see where the limitations are now. With that said, I won't blindly push my 100 past that level of stress hoping it doesn't break because it hasn't "failed me in the past".
ShottsUZJ100 said:
I'll bet any amount you want, those places ain't on the Rubicon!
I do love the 100 and I'm not putting it down. But at the same time, I'm objective enough to see where it's limits are. It is clear to me now where the line is for IFS. With that in mind, I feel like I can take my 100 where I want it to go. I just know a little better what to watch for when I'm off-road.
I think you're mis-interpreting my comments in my last post. I'm simply pointing out where I think the 100 needs to be strengthened before it can be repeatedly pushed at the Rubicon level without breakage.
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John,
Another thing I noticed on the trail was that Amando had one front wheel in the air a lot. Was it a show stopper? No. Did he have to drive extra carefully because of it?. Definitively.
I love the 100 series. I've been thinking about getting one for a while now. I would like a daily driver that I can take to our desert runs, trips to the beach. And for those harder trails, have the 80.
Like others have said here, the only way for you to see what I mean about the 100 on a trail like the Rubicon, is for you to be there. I'll be more than glad to spot you.
Regards
Alvaro
Another thing I noticed on the trail was that Amando had one front wheel in the air a lot. Was it a show stopper? No. Did he have to drive extra carefully because of it?. Definitively.
I love the 100 series. I've been thinking about getting one for a while now. I would like a daily driver that I can take to our desert runs, trips to the beach. And for those harder trails, have the 80.
Like others have said here, the only way for you to see what I mean about the 100 on a trail like the Rubicon, is for you to be there. I'll be more than glad to spot you.
Regards
Alvaro
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alvarorb said:
I can appreciate that Alvaro. You and me have the same ideas for our trucks use.
Regarding the wheel lifting? I can relate. That lack of stability was the one thing that always felt different in the 100. The 80 just felt more planted. That's now not the case. Since I have the L-shocks on the 100 the flex is almost the same as the 80. On the trail I can BARELY tell a difference now. I have comparing pics though I'm not allowed to post them yet. They compare the L-100 with a regular 100 and an L-80. I'm sure these shocks would help a lot on the Rubi.
Cruiserdrew
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e9999 said:when will you buy your first 100?
Don't know. Every now and then, I think I want a 2003+ 100 series. However, it would be more practical to just get a car. I have plenty of Land Cruisers now and I don't see them wearing out anytime soon. I have a bad diesel Jones, and I don't see that being solved anytime soon by Toyota. Now if the next incarnation of the Tundra has a diesel option-I'll probably buy that and be happy for a loooooong time. This is chat so I'll stop.
