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<-- Porter is getting to the age where I need to think about switching him off puppy food to adult. I've been feeding him "Pro Plan" puppy food from Purina. Probably just switch him over to their adult formula, but any thoughts out there for something else or against the Pro Plan brand?
 
I just did a bunch of research on the subject trying to find the "best" and healthiest dog food out there. I settled on Dog Lover's Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul. "Holistic for Health."
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/products/dogs/

Completely organic with no fillers. Farm-fed chicken, salmon, turkey, duck, and vegetables. It was rated very highly at a couple good dog forums.

Good sites:
http://forums.dogfoodproject.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=dogfood&page=0
http://www.animalwellnessmagazine.com/m/m81/main.htm

Other brands that I was considering: Authority, Solid Gold,

And for the next part, I'm gonna have to cut and paste. I don't know exactly where it came from, but if you google "dog food scoring" it comes up a bunch.

The Internet said:
How to grade your dog's food: Start with a grade of 100:

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points
2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points
3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points
5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (I.e. "ground brown rice", "brewers rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points
9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points
11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points
12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:
1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points
9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein
source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

Score:
94-100+ = A, 86-93 = B, 78-85 = C, 70-77 = D, 69 and below = F

Here are some foods that have already been scored.
Dog Food scores:
Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Beneful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
 
Glad you posted that Tractor. I was just looking at that Chicken Soup site, but hadn't yet posted that info here.

Something that I also use for a huge (tall and hopefully never fat) Golden is canned Salmon and Tuna. It's pretty cheap in the grocery and it really gives my dog's coat a nice shine. Supposed to be good for him too.

At our local grocer, it's just as cheap as canned dog food.

:cheers:

Doug
 
I buy the Kirkland Signature Chicken or Lamb dog food, good bang for buck. A 40lb bag is ~$19 and with 2@70lb dogs, I go through about 1.5-2 bags a month.
 
I'll also add this. While looking for a dog food that did not contain any sort of filler, I was also looking for a dog food that didn't contain Menadione (Vitamin K3).
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=menadione

It really hasn't been proven to be bad for dogs, but, from my research, it looked bad. I decided to err on the side of caution and find a food that did not add this synthetic substance. Dog foods without it are hard to find.
List of dog foods that don't add menadione(a little over a yr old):
http://forums.dogfoodproject.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=32747

The Wiki def:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menadione "...Large doses of menadione have been reported to cause adverse outcomes including hemolytic anemia due to G6PD deficiency, neonatal brain or liver damage, or neonatal death in some cases. Moreover, menadione supplements have been banned by the FDA because of their high toxicity...."(Granted this is in humans, but physiology isn't that different.)
 
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anyone tried a raw diet?

my wife wants to look into putting our dog on a raw diet, but i don't know if how feasible it is....she already has the dog eating dick van patten's food, which is very good and not cheap.
 
anyone tried a raw diet?

my wife wants to look into putting our dog on a raw diet, but i don't know if how feasible it is....she already has the dog eating dick van patten's food, which is very good and not cheap.


Our dog eats raw.

Mostly chicken quarters and backs, but occasionally she'll get some organ meats, hearts, that kind of thing. Then we also make a concoction with hamburger meat, chopped garlic, and red cabbage -- a recipe our vet recommended.

To round it off, she gets Nutra Ultra in the bowl to snack on between feedings.

It's great. The dog LOVES it, she's way more energetic, her coat is way softer and smoother, she stays at her ideal weight a lot better... and -- not to gross you out -- but "cleanup" is a lot less unpleasant. Her stools are very solid and dry, and often don't have to be cleaned up at all, because they turn to dust within a few hours and literally blow away -- or can be washed away with a garden hose. Also, they don't smell at all.

And, most people don't believe it when we tell them (especially the grovery store clerks when we are buying 40 lbs of chicken), but it's actually cheaper to feed her that than it is to feed a premium dogfood. Now, we own a Great Dane who eats a lot... Probably 100 lbs of dry dogfood a month (to maintain her weight) if that's all we fed her. At $2.50 for 5 lbs of chicken quarters, and the dog eating 2.5 to 3 lbs a day, it actually comes up cheaper.

I don't know if the same holds true with a smaller dog.

One thing that is a drawback is storing the chicken, and dispensing it. It can be kind of unpleasant. But again, if you have a smaller dog, you won't need to buy as much at one time as we do, and you won't have to handle as much raw chicken as we do.
 
Anyone used the Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula. Scores an A per the previous post with some scores attached. I checked at my local feed store and is only 17.99 for a 40 lb bag. I am getting some to try, but was wondering if anyone has any experience with it? That is some inexpensive dog food considering you can spend about 40 dollars more a bag for some of them with only a few more points.
 
I started off with Science Diet then switched to Pet Promise Dog Food. I started to notice differances after about 2 weeks.

http://www.petpromiseinc.com/

It has no animal byproducts, no added growth hormones, no antibiotic-fed protein, no rendered meats or fats, no factory-farm meat or poultry, and no artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives. I buy mine online.

Edit: Pet Promise scored 117 on the rating chat posted above.
 
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I use science diet. Has anyone heard anything bad or good about this food? I use it because it's what the vet recomended. I know he proly gets $$$cash money to push it, but both dogs ( Samson:boxer mix. Dalila: chiuahua) seem ok. There are more fillers and hormones in the food i eat.
 
anyone tried a raw diet?

my wife wants to look into putting our dog on a raw diet, but i don't know if how feasible it is....she already has the dog eating dick van patten's food, which is very good and not cheap.


search the archives for raw diet...you might want to add eric's name to narrow the search list...

he feeds/fed/whatever his pit bulls raw food. he seemed to be a proponent of it.


for whatever that's worth...
 
I reluctantly buy Blue Buffalo for our Mutts. Hollistic stuff, no corn, wheat, fillers etc. Our Dane/boxer mix was having behavioral issues with being hyper and the Vet recommended we try something wiithout all the crap. We searched through all the brands the pet stores around here carrry and this was the only one that seemed to have the right formula. I was totally skeptical but there was a night and day change in her tempermant when she went on it. The price sort of evens itself out since they need fewer cups but I keep looking for something cheaper that's equally free of the "bad" stuff"..... I think its $39 for a 40lb bag.
 
search the archives for raw diet...you might want to add eric's name to narrow the search list...

he feeds/fed/whatever his pit bulls raw food. he seemed to be a proponent of it.


for whatever that's worth...

thanks buddy...i'll check for my wife. it is her new thing for this dog. she has gone overboard i think. she bought it a $70 raincoat...i kid you not.
 

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