My pile...

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In order to keep some of the other threads clean and clear of my bitching about this giant pile of s*** in my driveway, here we are.

The 60 has never quite run cool enough on a day to day basis for me to feel comfortable enough to jump in it and drive any real distance to wheel or camp. For those who don't know, I'm running a 350 TBI with 700R4 auto trans. Last September's run to Fossil Springs only solidified my fears. The temps outside were mid 90's at worst on Sundays disastrous trip home. Going up the big hill she just wouldn't stay under 210 and was pushing catastrophic failure most of the way with temps upwards of 230+. So when we got her home I waited until "I" could cool down enough to actually give a s*** about getting the truck up to snuff again. I drove it to work a couple times over the next few months, all the while fiddling with the thermostat and fan settings. Nothing seemed to be to my liking. The truck would often run at 210+. This was with average daily temps in the low to mid 80's. This was just unacceptable to me. So I finally broke down last month, after a few PMs back and forth with Kurtis here who is running the same setup, and switched over to a mechanical fan, in attempt to get this all under control. I drove the truck for a couple days with the temps in the mid to high 90's and yielded High end water temps in the range of 205 to 208 consitantly. Last year with the electrics I would have been pushing 220 with the type of driving I was doing.

A 10 degree drop was a HUGE win for me and I knew that I was now on the right track. I spent a Saturday at the junkyard harvesting fan shrouds for the next step in my search for manageable temps. After a full day of hacking and gluing and fitting, re-fitting, hacking and some more gluing, I came up with a shroud that would make even Kevin proud. After installing the shroud, I ran the truck HARD for 100+ miles over the next couple days with average ambient temps in the high 90's to low 100's with water temps that never exceeded 200 degrees under the hardest 4k rpm continuous 2nd gear romp for 10 minutes straight. I came home fully believing that I have my cooling issues whipped. I still believe this now. The real test was to be next weeks trip up the mountain and back.

On Friday the 4th I drove the 60 in to work. It ran great and didn't skip a beat AM temps were beautiful and the H2O never topped 190, sweet. I drove to lunch and again, awesome temps at noon time with ambient around 100 and water temps at 195 TOPS. I'm stoked at this point but I noticed a little stumble and hesitation and a bobble in the idle when on the way back from lunch. My afternoon drive home had the same bobbles and stutters, nothing major but something was a tad off. The H2O temps topped at 195 on the way home and everything was well minus the stutter. I filled up on my way home, didn't top off the tank either like I normally do, and after parking the truck and heading in for about 30 minutes, I came out to a major fuel spill in the driveway. Pressure building in the tank. I check the charcoal cannister and it's plugged. Out comes the charcoal can. Time doesn't allow fixing that until last weekend on Saturday the 12th. I make an attempte to get it all fixed up and ready to roll for Wil's BBQ at Sierra Expeditions, to no avail. The new Can is a GM unit as opposed to the Toyota unit I had originally used in my conversion. It is of course larger and doesn't fit where the old one did so I had to relocate it. A temp fix was made and everything was reassembled, including the dual batteries being put back in the truck, since they had to be removed to get to the old coal-can. Once everything was installed and the truck ready to fire up... NOTHING. The motor would crank only about 1/2 a crank. Dead battery. I switch everything over to the other battery... DEAD. WTF??? At this point I gave up and jumped in the shower to get over to the BBQ. Threw it on the charger for a couple hours... nothing. TWO TOAST BATTERIES?!?!?!?

A sunday trip to Checker for a load test says both are good to go... WTF? Now I'm pissed.

Fast forward to a discussion with LandCruiserPhil on Sunday night which leads me down the path of a HORRIBLE ground situation I had going on. After chasing my tail on Monday, I end up sick on Tuesday and finally get the ground sorted yesterday. New negative cables, grounded directly to the block, awarded me with the fastest spinning starter I've ever had. Holy s*** that stuff actually works.

After sorting it all last night, I figured I'd better take it for a spin. Jump in, back out of the driveway, drop it into drive and... STUCK THROTTLE CABLE! FxxxSHITPISSCOCKSUCKINGMOTHERFxxxINGPIECEOFPILOFSHITILLBURNYOU'REFxxxINGASSTOTHEGODDAMNEDMOTHERFxxxINGGROUND!!!!!!!

Disassemble the throttle cable assembly it's all fxxxered up for some odd damned reason. Put it back together and all runs smoth until I hook it back up to the throttle plate then it get stuck again. So... Fxxx THIS PILE OF s***!!!!


Hope that helps y'all understand my frustration a little bit.
 
Do you have good chassis/body grounds to the motor/battery? If not it will find ground somewhere and that is often the throttle cable, heating/welding/destroying it.
 
Believe it or not, my simple mind actually contemplated that theory yesterday. I pulled the cable completely free from the housing and inspected for frays and flaws (after it had already been stuck) and found none.
 
:D
FxxxSHITPISSCOCKSUCKINGMOTHERFxxxINGPIECEOFPILOFSHITILLBURNYOU'REFxxxINGASSTOTHEGODDAMNEDMOTHERFxxxINGGROUND!!!!!!!

I know that is not the first time you have strung that colorfull group of words together...I heard it this day: :D:flipoff2::grinpimp:
At least Murf was there to give you a hand...wait:flipoff2:?
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Ah... the pix from the return trip last September. Two weeks ago I was so much more confident that I wouldn't be right there again this time. Now... I'm POSATIVE, cause I swear I'm gonna burn this bitch to the ground before the weekend.
 
Let me know if you need a hand this weekend...not sure what I can do but would be happy to help.
 
Ah... the pix from the return trip last September. Two weeks ago I was so much more confident that I wouldn't be right there again this time. Now... I'm POSATIVE, cause I swear I'm gonna burn this bitch to the ground before the weekend.

I'll Trade you for a 97 tacoma before you do that:hhmm:....
 
Do you have good chassis/body grounds to the motor/battery? ...

^^^ Didn't answer the question.

It's important, if not the body/frame electrical loads will attempt to find ground to complete the circuit. When you turn a big load, A/C, lights, etc, the power spike will find a connection. If it's the throttle cable, it's a piss poor connection, to many moving parts. The power spike will cause an arc between the moving parts, temporarily tacking them together. This can happen between the cable/housing, throttle pedal pivot or throttle butterfly pivot. It's temporary, probably difficult to see, hard to find, causes pulled hair and one of the most often causes of sticking in otherwise well setup/functioning throttles.:hillbilly::wrench:
 
Sorry Kevin. Prior to the cable fiasco., I had just fixed my grounding issues that were causing a false dead battery. The cable is sticking without any battery load at all. The engine is off and not running. I believe it's a binding problem in the cable somewhere. It binds only when connected to the throttle lever. I'm going to buy a new one tonight and pray that it fixes my issues.
 
... It binds only when connected to the throttle lever. I'm going to buy a new one tonight and pray that it fixes my issues.

It's common for a cable to only bind when loaded. The problem is usually at a bend or at an end. It's important for cable life that the ends of the cable are pointed directly the load/what it's pulling and any bends in routing are as big of a curve as possible.

If it's attempting to pull at an angle or there is a tight bend in the run, the loads are higher and will cause binding/wear. In these cases the wear is in a small area and often makes a groove that can trap/pinch the inner cable.
 
HEY Bman

If you would like I have a 60 that seem to work and I'm just over in chandler if you want to compare anything with the cable thing. Got nothing but time.Are you going
up the hill on Friday have rope can follow.Let me know send me an address[[[[[[ im not doing anything tonight]]]]
 
:D

I know that is not the first time you have strung that colorfull group of words together...I heard it this day: :D:flipoff2::grinpimp:
At least Murf was there to give you a hand...wait:flipoff2:?

:eek:

you got pulled on the grill guard ?
 
I was thinking the same thing Claudia.
 
That's where the tow hook is on 60's....man and I thought you two knew your cruisers :grinpimp:
 
Got a new cable last night. Will leave it a little bit longer and see if I can keep it from binding this time. Also fiddled with the pedal set up last night. Will have it all back together tonight hopefully and be able to drive it out to Sonic.

Claudia/Shannon, as Rob said, the 60 series tow hook is located on top of the bumper right next to the grill guard. I noticed that in the pic too and wondered how long it would take for someone to ask... not long, as suspected.
 
What time do you guys get together at Sonic? I'd like to come out.

This time of year usually when the big fire ball goes away;p
 
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