Shackle reversal questions?

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i have decided that i am going to go ahead with the shackle reversal
but just want some input into what you guys thought about it so here are a couple of questions for those who have done the switch already.

1. can you really tell a differance in the ride?
2. are there any other places to get it kit beside man-a-fre?


again i am pretty sure i will do this unless there is really a substantial word against it. i am really thinking about this just do to the fact that the axle will go back instead of going forward when it is sucked up in to the wheel well because i have stupid springs that make my tire rub at the front of the finder.

thanks in advance for the info.
 
Here is a couple of pics of a install I did back in February...sittn on 35" rubber:D Yes the ride improved:cool: but don't know of any other source other than MAF:frown:
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1) Not enough to overcome the buyers remorse.
2) Don't know.

The stock springs are nearly flat, so there is very little "movement" upon either compression or extension.
 
My thoughts on this subject are:

1. Don't waste your time.
2. Don't waste your money.

Been there, done that... removed it. Much happier without the stupid SR. And, I don't recommend it to anyone, ever. Even if they want to pay me lots of money for a custom installation.


i have decided that i am going to go ahead with the shackle reversal
but just want some input into what you guys thought about it so here are a couple of questions for those who have done the switch already.

1. can you really tell a differance in the ride?
2. are there any other places to get it kit beside man-a-fre?


again i am pretty sure i will do this unless there is really a substantial word against it. i am really thinking about this just do to the fact that the axle will go back instead of going forward when it is sucked up in to the wheel well because i have stupid springs that make my tire rub at the front of the finder.

thanks in advance for the info.
 
shackle reversal

I am very pleased with my shackle reversal, it took some of the chop out of the ride, it leveled the vehicle and looks good. 1989 fj62 with 4" lift arb with winch kaymar rear bumper with tire and jerry can holder. 5.3 vortec, l60e tranny. More to do.
 
Have you researched this yet? You say unless someone has something against this. And if you have searched then I am sure you have seen that there are alot of people on both sides of the fence. Its just somethign you have to check into and decide if thats what you want to do or not.

(And its not like somethign thats bolt on and if you dont like it take it off. It requires welding and removing, etc. So its not an easy mod to reverse.)
 
i have researched it alot and have decided that i am going to go through with. i guess i really just wanted to see what people who have done it and liked it had too say about it and what about it they liked. what the reversal provides is what needs to happen to my cruiser.

and i know that it is not an easy mod but i do have a lot of experience welding and doing alot of other kinds of fabrication and am not worried about the mod at all.
 
Since I have already stated my opinion on this subject (as a Land Cruiser builder of quite a few years now) and you're still choosing to go ahead with an SR, then you should take the time to do it right.

If you are contemplating an SOA at some point, you should factor that into your build. There will be significant geometry changes if you're going SOA vs SUA with an SR.

The Land Cruiser Advanced Handling type kits (see the previous photos in this thread) offer you very little in the way of an advantage when driving in the rocks vs. just running shackles up front (normal configuration) since they stick down too far. So, if must spend your money on this rather useless and expensive conversion (my opinion) then you should try to do your best to recess all the mounting points as much as possible. Recessing the mounts, really does work better with an SOA since you will lose some of your lift by doing so. To offset some of the loss of lift in an SUA configuration, you should perhaps consider what your lift options are.

In reality, most of the very small gains in ride quality from going to an SR are simply from repairing what was wrong with the front axle and/or suspension in the first place. I would strongly recommend that you fix all of the things that need to be done with your front end now, before you complete the SR so that there is little confusion about what has actually been improved by performing an SR.

A few thoughts about suspension geometry:


You should aim to increase your overall caster angle as much as possible up the 5 or 6 degrees range. Adding caster to bring things in line with these numbers will improve road manners immensely. If you keep your front spring mounts as short as possible (and close to the frame) you will see some improvement in caster angle.

Seriously consider the possibility of adding longer springs to the front; a set of rear springs (with a little leaf shuffling to adjust ride height) could achieve this. Longer springs will provide for softer, more comfortable ride and you will gain a fair bit of articulated travel as well. You may need to change your shocks and/or mounts to handle the extra articulated travel.

The real (tried and tested gains) of an SR are a very slight improvement in how the truck will respond to small bumps and irregularities in terrain (eg: somewhat rough paved roads, gravel roads). The difference is somewhat like how the ride feels between running 40PSi on the street vs. 32PSI. In my case, it was the difference between the doors rattling a little or a lot; from the driver's seat, I can't say that I noticed much change.

In the years that my own truck was SR, I did not notice any appreciable advantages for fourwheeling (the whole debate about pulling for pushing your wheels over the terrain) and I feel that this aspect of the argument is pretty much rubbish. While I had the SR in place my truck was SUA, and I did not notice any benefits at all with respect to hitting rocks (it's a rare occurence for me anyhow) with the springs. I'm sure that if you spend all your time surfing the big granite slabs of the Sierras, then this could be a worthwhile conversion, but only if everything is tucked up as much as possible.

The one disadvantage that I found was that the (expensive) driveshaft that I had made up to handle the extra slip yoke travel wore out quite quickly (I was doing a considerable amount of fourwheeling at the time). When I went SOA, I removed the SR and went back to a stock driveshaft.

hope this info helps... but, ymmv.

~John
 
1. Not enough to spend the money a second time.
2. not that I know of.

I did the conversion on my 1974 FJ55 which is the same kit as used on the 60 series. I did the conversion back when MAF first put the kit out. I ran into some issues... tech support was absolute crap... would have been more useful attempting to ask the spirit world for tech support using a weegie board. Then again almost every experience with MAF has been pretty much crap. Not a big fan.
Anyway Calico Kid now owns my old '74 Pig.

I would spend the money on some suspension and steering repairs, mods, and upgrades that would be more beneficial.
 
i have decided that i am going to go ahead with the shackle reversal
but just want some input into what you guys thought about it so here are a couple of questions for those who have done the switch already.

1. can you really tell a differance in the ride?
2. are there any other places to get it kit beside man-a-fre?


again i am pretty sure i will do this unless there is really a substantial word against it. i am really thinking about this just do to the fact that the axle will go back instead of going forward when it is sucked up in to the wheel well because i have stupid springs that make my tire rub at the front of the finder.

thanks in advance for the info.


1) No.

2) avoid "kits". Fab it. (Or simply don't do it.)


Mark...
 
My thoughts on this subject are:

1. Don't waste your time.
2. Don't waste your money.

Been there, done that... removed it. Much happier without the stupid SR. And, I don't recommend it to anyone, ever. Even if they want to pay me lots of money for a custom installation.


X2 or more. :)

I to have removed more than one SR convresion. And I also recommend against doing it in the first place. Even when someone is waving cash in my face to do it for them.

I'm actually considering a fore-shackled arrangement on the next mini truck I do an SAS to.



Mark...
 
The ride improvement I posted in #2 was supplied by the owner.... True this is a Mall Cruiser and the fact it could now jump parking-lot speed bumps @ 25mph :eek: w/ no discomfort was improvement for these folks.... some will go to extreme measures to beat a competitor for that choice parking slot:cool:
 
I did it on mine 84 fj60, I mainly went the MAF kit because I wanted the look and it help level things out and I wanted to run 35" without going SOA. I had some trouble with the install - Tech support is crap (I try not to by from Mana-fre at all now) I don't wheel much it's mainly a garage jewel (sadley) but I don't have enough offroad experience to say it was an improvement or not. I would call Kurt from Cruiser Outfitters and tell him what you'r looking for.
 

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