I can't decide either, so I'm probably going to end up keeping the 60 and getting a 100. That way I'm covering both ends of the spectrum. The tough choice is going to be trying to decide which one to drive everyday 
Why you picked a 100 over an 80 model
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I've owned an 80 and now have a 100....the wife likes the 100 series much more...but then again, the 80 had OME, 33" tires, etc...
I would like to put the ome on the 100 series - it should ride nice and firm then...
one of the reasons we moved on to the 100 was also due to the 80's head gasket issue - mine didn't have it ... yet. But now I have the manifold cracked on the passenger side...
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I would like to put the ome on the 100 series - it should ride nice and firm then...
one of the reasons we moved on to the 100 was also due to the 80's head gasket issue - mine didn't have it ... yet. But now I have the manifold cracked on the passenger side...
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I'm lucky in that I have both.
I could easily live without an 80, but don't because I want a low-cost truck to beat up.
I could never survive without a 100. When I do pick up a lower-cost 100 and trick it out, the 80/LX hits the road for good.
I could easily live without an 80, but don't because I want a low-cost truck to beat up.
I could never survive without a 100. When I do pick up a lower-cost 100 and trick it out, the 80/LX hits the road for good.
F0RSAKEN said:Some suave individual needs to come up with a low cost (haha right) SAS for the 100...then you have the best of both worlds. Comfort/every convenience + lots of modification potential = win
Realistically it's not needed on the 100. ~3 inches lift does the trick on an 80 and a 100. Equipped as such and you can run almost anything the typical 4-wheeler runs. IFS has never stopped my 100 and I'd not trade it for a SAS.
If I ever take up "rock crawling" I'll buy a 40 or a Jeep which are SUV-eaters in that terrain.
Oh, dont get me wrong, Im not mocking IFS, but SAS has so much more potential IMO. Just look at TiredIron's truck heh, SAS allows you to go portal without too much difficulty...well at least on the 80. Im not exactly sure how the diff output on the 100 compares....
F0RSAKEN said:
Wow! A portal 100. Wow! Sooner or later you know someone will do it. SAS too. (and 6" lift)
When I bought my '99 100, used 80s pricing made it attractive to buy new.
I agree with Gman in general - but business use and section 179 make depreciation much more tolerable. Even more so prior to Oct 04.
As much as I like Land Rover - I own Series trucks - I cant recommend anything from LRNA. D90s and especially the small numbers of '93 110s are the exception - in hindsight - only for the resale value, if they didnt rot out. But thats hindsight. Run do not walk away from that thing.
Schotts: The LR3 insnt a Disco - you and I know better but its depreciation so far hasnt been nearly that of the DI and DII. Edmunds is probably basing expected depreciation on this. The LR3 is a better animal - but Im not sold yet. Rover pays for the first 7 or 8 scheduled maint as well, may have something to do with it.
I agree with Gman in general - but business use and section 179 make depreciation much more tolerable. Even more so prior to Oct 04.
As much as I like Land Rover - I own Series trucks - I cant recommend anything from LRNA. D90s and especially the small numbers of '93 110s are the exception - in hindsight - only for the resale value, if they didnt rot out. But thats hindsight. Run do not walk away from that thing.
Schotts: The LR3 insnt a Disco - you and I know better but its depreciation so far hasnt been nearly that of the DI and DII. Edmunds is probably basing expected depreciation on this. The LR3 is a better animal - but Im not sold yet. Rover pays for the first 7 or 8 scheduled maint as well, may have something to do with it.
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F0RSAKEN said:
Wonder why the Military has gone with the Hummer H1's with indep. frt. suspensions
I believe Edmunds goes by scheduled maintenance instead of actual historical repairs. For that, check out Consumer Reports.
I suspect the 100 is the best value for about 95% of the buyers compared to the 80s on the market. I find the 80 intriguing, but finding one in excellent condition at an attractive price compared to the 100, leaves me with the 100.
FJ Cruiser is an improved 4Runner. I still prefer a used 100 for the similar price of a new FJC; though I can understand why someone would pick the FJC - it is quite a vehicle - better in person than I had expected from the literature.
I suspect the 100 is the best value for about 95% of the buyers compared to the 80s on the market. I find the 80 intriguing, but finding one in excellent condition at an attractive price compared to the 100, leaves me with the 100.
FJ Cruiser is an improved 4Runner. I still prefer a used 100 for the similar price of a new FJC; though I can understand why someone would pick the FJC - it is quite a vehicle - better in person than I had expected from the literature.
ChuckB said:I can't decide either, so I'm probably going to end up keeping the 60 and getting a 100. That way I'm covering both ends of the spectrum. The tough choice is going to be trying to decide which one to drive everyday
Chuck,
You are welcome to test drive mine anytime and I'd be happy to help you look for a 100 when you decide to get one.
Alacrity said:
10-4 on the LR3 not being a Disco.....though I have heard some wild failure storries on the LR3 already.
LXPearl said:
Judging by what I seen Saturday.....I'd take a stock 100 (2000+) over a stock FJC any day.
SWUtah said:Wonder why the Military has gone with the Hummer H1's with indep. frt. suspensions
My my aren't well all just a tad defensive about the IFS/SAS subject? I never said that SAS is better than IFS, just that it has more potential for modification. I do not want or need 6" of lift, and I mention the portals because he got 5" of extra ground clearance just by bolting on new axels. That is good for an off road vehicle no matter how you look at it.
BTW, the Hummer IFS uses portals too. Adapt those to the IFS on the 100 and youll have one potent machine.
And just FYI, Ill be buying a 100 when the time comes, and setting it up for expedition/trail use. I personally prefer IFS to SAS, but I enjoy the options SAS provides. IFS is basically limited to 2-4" of lift, after that, you're done. I guess I should be happy for that, because it's cheaper that way, but still
F0RSAKEN said:My my aren't well all just a tad defensive about the IFS/SAS subject? I never said that SAS is better than IFS, just that it has more potential for modification. I do not want or need 6" of lift, and I mention the portals because he got 5" of extra ground clearance just by bolting on new axels. That is good for an off road vehicle no matter how you look at it.
BTW, the Hummer IFS uses portals too. Adapt those to the IFS on the 100 and youll have one potent machine.
And just FYI, Ill be buying a 100 when the time comes, and setting it up for expedition/trail use. I personally prefer IFS to SAS, but I enjoy the options SAS provides. IFS is basically limited to 2-4" of lift, after that, you're done. I guess I should be happy for that, because it's cheaper that way, but still
I loved my 80 with the solid axles, but my 100 is perfect for trips to the mall,, or taking the kids to soccer practice.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Are you sure it wasn't a PEBSWAS situation? (Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel And Seat)
At least on the paper, the FJC looks pretty good, I gotta admit. Plus, just like the 100, it will take three lockers!
PEBSWAS, Derek you've just expanded my acronym arsenal. 
calamaridog said:
Bryan,
Thanks for the offer!! I should be home by the beginning of August. We'll have to met sometime after that, you do live right around the corner! I need to make up for 6 months of no
Chuck
edit- I'll let you drive the 60 if you really want to see what your missing
SWUtah said:Wonder why the Military has gone with the Hummer H1's with indep. frt. suspensions
Actually, they're independant all the way around. So does that mean you also want to give up your solid REAR axle, so you can be like the HMMWVs and have four wheel independant?
It also only seats four people, including the driver, but I'm sure I don't want that limitation in my truck. Why the military does some things does not always relate to what most of us use our trucks for. The HMMWV is not designed for the type of terrain through which most of us take our trucks. It's also huge. And, because the military wanted it to be easy to drive by relatively unskilled offroad drivers, they were all spec'd with automatic transmissions only.
What it is good at is being loaded up with a ton (literally) of gear and taking its four-person crew through flat Middle Eastern desert or slightly hilly Western European hedgerow country, and being airlifted and dropped from helicopters or cargo planes with light infantry or airborne units.
It's a good vehicle, but certainly not the end-all-be-all of offroaders. As most of us here define that term, I would rate the Mercedes UNIMOG as probably the ultimate "offroader" in existence, at least for a production vehicle.
dclee said:Are you sure it wasn't a PEBSWAS situation? (Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel And Seat)
At least on the paper, the FJC looks pretty good, I gotta admit. Plus, just like the 100, it will take three lockers!
PEBSWAS was an issue for a few. Yer right on!
For several others it was the low-slung crap underneath...especially the gas tank. I've seen this on Runners, GX's and now FJ's. They're nice trucks but for off-roading you need all the crap tucked up and under like the 100/80.
It took 1+ hours to get 2 through a wash with recovery stuff. The front half of the group finally gave up and went ahead. A stock 100 wouldn't have hung on anything (maybe a slider if it had them). With a lift I can see the FJ bing really sweet though you gotta aim the things so the tall rocks are on the right side of the truck away from that low tank. (No thanks)
