Why so much body roll?

[wileetoyote]

Not too thrilled with my new OME setup... I went with the 851/860 (Med) springs and thinking that I wanted a stock ride cause its my dd, I ordered the N70/N71 'soft' shocks. Not a good combo in my opinion. The 'feel' in a straight line is softer than stock which i could deal with but the body roll is a bit spooky. Feels like my 4Rnr with a 5" lift when I swerve left or right. Not particularly what i was looking for in my dd and with only a 2.5" lift. That said, I am packing a pretty heavy Con-ferr RR with a brand new spare (33") MTR up on top... I guess thats coming down this weekend

So my question is...do the soft shocks affect body roll as much as I think it does or is this normal with a 2.5" lift even with firmer shocks? Did you guys notice more body roll (than stock) after you installed these springs? Most posts said 'better than stock ride' but I'm not seeing that way.

No can return/trade the shocks now thats its been installed so I guess I'm stuck with these for a while.

Almost forgot, i did get the stink bug effect so i'll be ordering front packers...my sway bar does lay on the front driveshaft at full droop so I'll have to add spacers, my rr brake line is stretched pretty bad at full droop so i'll be getting longer lines (even though I was told it would not need them with this lift size, and the MAF/4+ front drop bracket seems fine although I did have to file out the mounting holes on both brackets cause the holes didn't quite line up.

WET

 

[syrinxstar]

I don't think too many people get the OME soft shocks so there might not be a lot of feedback for you. I know at Slee they always package them with the stiffer-valved shocks - I'm sure it's for a reason.

My guess is you'll get a better ride with firmer shocks -

 

[RavenTai]

not a direct comparison but with stock springs going from stock shocks to bilsteins really helped out a lot with the body roll, almost eliminating it, before even with just lane changes the ass end would sway back and forth, it felt bad,

 

[tacomafj-80]

Onother Idea Might Be To Try A Set Of Wheel Spacers. Herd It Makes The Ride More Stable, But I Personally Have Not Tried Them. When I Got The Ome Kit, I Was Also Going To Try The Soft Valved Shocks But Was Advised Against It By Slee.

 

[Mike S]

I have OME heavies and stiffer OME shocks. Rides super in the mountains. I would try another shock - firmer.

M

 

[IdahoDoug]

Spacers in the wheels will not impact body roll at all though I can see why some might think it would. The roll occurs in the suspension. Also, did you get the left/right springs properly installed? I've heard it's confusing as for years these Australian built products were labeled drivers side/passenger side for the LHD Aussie market. Then there was speculation they changed them for shipment to the U.S., etc. The L/R springs are quite different.

DougM

 

[ed97fzj80]

Mine corners very flat with OME heavies and Bilstein shocks. It's a big improvement over stock.

 

[wileetoyote]

Spacers in the wheels will not impact body roll at all though I can see why some might think it would. The roll occurs in the suspension. Also, did you get the left/right springs properly installed? I've heard it's confusing as for years these Australian built products were labeled drivers side/passenger side for the LHD Aussie market. Then there was speculation they changed them for shipment to the U.S., etc. The L/R springs are quite different.

DougM

I believe so... I got the info from Slee's tech section on which springs go where...mine were labeled 'A' and 'B' in which I placed them ps and ds respectfully.

I went on a pizza run today and took it for a more comprehensive test drive over RR tracks, through rough potted holes, etc. and am finding the response a bit more apealling meaning it still has that stock softness through dips and over the rr tracks but I can tell the springs are much more responsive than stock ever was over potholes and such. It feels like the tires/springs react quicker in getting back on the ground without bouncing all over the place as it did when stock. However, the body roll is still much worse than stock.

I'm starting to wonder if thicker HD sway bars would do the trick albeit a costly fix. Anybody purchase a pair of the HD MAF sway bars?

Also, looks like I'm buying an SST to remove the steering stabilizer... the puller I have wasn't up for the job

Thanks,
WET

EDIT: whooo hooo just noticed I rolled over my 100 post. Ohh what a feeling! Those around 40+ would know what I'm talking about

 

[Kalawang]

I've been fairly happy with my ride since I changed from soft to super stiff single action super cheapo shocks. The shocks were so stiff I had to tie them down with guy wires to fit them and when I cut the wires they pushed the LC taller. Roll is now negligible and handling is car like. The ride, surprisingly, is also very nice and comfortable though my passengers have a tendency to sleep on me.


Kalawang

 

[Mickldo]

Body roll? Yeah I get body roll. Mind you I've got a 4" lift and no swaybars. You get used to it after a while. In fact I quite enjoy the looks on peoples faces when they see it lifting an inside front wheel when cornering hard.

 

[topend yobbo]

Body roll? Yeah I get body roll. Mind you I've got a 4" lift and no swaybars. You get used to it after a while. In fact I quite enjoy the looks on peoples faces when they see it lifting an inside front wheel when cornering hard.

Are you mad?

 

[bigbrowndog]

certifiable, section8 lol

 

[landtank]

I'm starting to wonder if thicker HD sway bars would do the trick albeit a costly fix. Anybody purchase a pair of the HD MAF sway bars?

Yes I have and I wouldn't advise doing so. Search on LXTREME as he found some TRD sway bars for his truck and that's the route I'd go before MAF

 

[LX_TREME]

It took about a month or so to get it, the TRD sway bars way much thicker compared to stock OEM cost around $500-$600 for set Front and Rear came with bushing, etc...

 

[LX_TREME]

And What body roll? 80-90mph on turns with JDM '5 Espelir lowering spring and '5 adjustable rancho R-Shock

 

[tech_dog]

I did OME heavy front, medium rear, with the standard Slee issued OME shocks. I also did the castor correction, and the LSPV adjustment using the Toyota FSM method.

I'd have to say that 90% of the time the old girl handles better than ever. Highway, bumpy road, around town, trails, off-road, etc, it's extremely predictable, stable, and comfortable. It's a big improvement.

I'd also have to say that the winding mountain road is where I have my one exception. The rig sits higher, and if you drive it like a sports car you do get more body roll. It's not a lot more roll, but I defintely feel a bit extra if I go into a sharp turn with a bit of speed.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with the effect of my OME lift and 33" tires. I'm a very picky SOB too...

 

[wileetoyote]

Yes I have and I wouldn't advise doing so. Search on LXTREME as he found some TRD sway bars for his truck and that's the route I'd go before MAF

So I looked it up and it turns out the TRD Sway bars are 31mm front vs. 29mm stock and 27mm vs. 25mm rear. Thats only a 6.5% increase in diameter (2mm each) but it doesn't tell you how much stiffer it is as with the FZJ100 (32% fr and 61% rr). What gives? Are the stockers already HD?

LAND CRUISER100 UZJ100W Set of front&rear
Front φ=30 stiffer 32％UP from OE
Rear φ=27 stiffer 61％UP from OE
LAND CRUISER 80 Set of front&rear
Front φ=31
Rear φ=27

Is there anybody with a 100 series willing to measure their stock sway bars to compare actual diameter?

Also, if anyone from MAF wants to pipe in and talk up they're product, I'd be willing to listen. Things like who makes them, tube or solid, increase % in stiffness, etc.

The way I'm starting to look at it, do I scrap brand new shocks and spend another $350 or spend $400-$600 on bigger sway bars and maintain a softer ride? Hmmm...

Thanks in advance.

WET

 

[landtank]

BIG down fall with the MAF sway bars is that the front bar has no accomodations for the locker harness that runs along it. The TRD ones do. That and they rusted to s*** in no time and the bushing setup was inferior to the OEM bars.

 

[cary]

So I looked it up and it turns out the TRD Sway bars are 31mm front vs. 29mm stock and 27mm vs. 25mm rear. Thats only a 6.5% increase in diameter (2mm each) but it doesn't tell you how much stiffer it is as with the FZJ100 (32% fr and 61% rr). What gives? Are the stockers already HD?

LAND CRUISER100 UZJ100W Set of front&rear
Front φ=30 stiffer 32％UP from OE
Rear φ=27 stiffer 61％UP from OE
LAND CRUISER 80 Set of front&rear
Front φ=31
Rear φ=27

Is there anybody with a 100 series willing to measure their stock sway bars to compare actual diameter?

You can't compare sway bars from different models of vehicles because where and how they mount directly affects the stiffness. 2mm on that sized bar is signifantly stiffer. If I recall correctly, sway bars stiffen at an exponential rate as you increase the diameter. In this case I would guess the larger sway bars are 50% or so stiffer.

I want to back you up a second. Why not go to a firmer shock? There used to be an old saying that you make up with sway bar what you couldn't get with springs and shocks. The firmer shocks are not going to reduce body lean like the bars will but they will improve that turn in feel.

 

[Mickldo]

Are you mad?

Must be, I've been driving with no swaybars (on 2 & 4" lifts) for nearly 3 years now. You get used to the body roll. I hardly even notice it anymore.