Who's running fuel lubricant?

[DieselFumes]

Newb to toyota diesel-
So when one goes to canola in a completely stock truck that has never seen any additives... does this have a tendancy to clog up the filters as it breaks up all the old crap in the fuel system? I encountered that when running old NA 6.2 chevys?
84 Troopy HJ47

 

[kim]

I believe it is bio that removes all the sludge from the fuel system where veggy doesn't do this.

 

[canucksafari]

I believe it is bio that removes all the sludge from the fuel system where veggy doesn't do this.

That is correct. WVO or SVO does not have the detergent properties of biodiesel.

 

[romey]

and any canola oil, i'm guessing the cheapest, i can find at no frills will do? no dewatering or filtering, just pour the sucka in?! i get pretty anal with my mileag sometimes... i'll try it and see if it affects it eitherway...

hmm, just to be safe, maybe i'll head to the pumps at half tank, shut the engine off, add a litre, then fill up with diesel to ensure a good mix....? do that during the summer'ish then back to anti-gel mix stuff for the winter...? same goes for clean and dewatered wvo i'm guessing and just play with the ratios, not to exceed say 30%...?

hmm, i'm curious now what would happen if i pour a cup of canola oil in 10 cups of diesel (or similar ratio) in a clear jug, anyone tried this? does the oil disolve with the fuel or does it settle a certain way and needing some agitation..?

 

[kim]

Filtering your canola is necessary I think, I do anyway with the new stuff. I don't know of what micron it was filtered by the manufacturer.

As for mileage, I haven't seen any difference and I do keep track.

I don't know where you live but if you're only adding a litre for lubrication to 80 or 90 litres of diesel shouldn't impact you in summer nor winter.

 

[romey]

cool, thanks Kim! hmm, i think i'm confusing the need for either the additive or canola oil (and i know some guys are saying don't even bother). we are talking lubricity for the warmer times and antigel for cold weather... instead of gen49d/howes/flashlube/etc...we can use canola oil for lubricity and a "better or cleaner" burn, yes..? and then anything with antigel to keep it from gumming up in the winter (i'm in ontario so using additives for sure in winter time). i guess what i'm trying to figure out is what dosage/ratio of canola oil can be used in place of the additives? which is why i'm thinkin of a litre/tank or whatever VS the usual 8-10ml's/10Litres of the additives...? and factoring in costs... don't want to spend too much on vegetable oil. higher ratios like 30% is just that much better for the environment/quieter running/and smells nice, but the effects on lubricity can only be so much i figure...so what's the magic number if there is any....?

rephrase, what's the minimum amount of oil to diesel that i can use to have the similar effects of additives...or am i completely going bonkers?! lol

in terms of filtering, if the oil bottle's clear, then can i assume the stock filter will take care of the rest...?

in the meantime, i'm gonna pee in the tank and see if that does it any good....

 

[nuclearlemon]

while not a cruiser, i run either howes, lucas, or ethos in my powerchoke. no issues.

 

[canucksafari]

rephrase, what's the minimum amount of oil to diesel that i can use to have the similar effects of additives...or am i completely going bonkers?! lol

2% biodiesel (or veggie oil) according to the study (see first page of this thread) Stone posted will better anything else on the market.

 

[kim]

I've been in Ontario, it's a big place! 2 frickin days to drive across it.

Anyway, a litre of canola per tank should take care of any lube issues and I can't see it impacting your cold start.

 

[Tofudebeest]

From my understanding, there is no glycerine in vegetable oil.

Correct. Glycerol. After transesterification (the chemical reaction and process of making biodiesel), glycerin, a waste-byproduct precipitates out.

I believe it is bio that removes all the sludge from the fuel system where veggy doesn't do this.

Correct, as canuksafari confirmed.

Filtering your canola is necessary I think, I do anyway with the new stuff.

Generally unnecessary with virgin oil.

 

[Enigma]

believe it or not henry ford built cars from hemp, and there is rumor that his first car was built to run on hemp.

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Cheech & Chong also built a car out of hemp

 

[kim]

Generally unnecessary with virgin oil.

Do you know to what micron canola, or any oil for the matter, is filtered to by the producers for use in deep fryers?

 

[romey]

cool cool, thanks again guys and gals! really nice info here all around. yeah, virgin oil that visually i can see is clear, has got to be safe straight in the tank... at .05 micron (or is it .5), what's that gonna remove, the dandruff of a bed bug? ..... ?

 

[kim]

cool cool, thanks again guys and gals! really nice info here all around. yeah, virgin oil that visually i can see is clear, has got to be safe straight in the tank... at .05 micron (or is it .5), what's that gonna remove, the dandruff of a bed bug? ..... ?

Who you callin a gal?

No worries, mate, I'm quite used to it.

 

[kim]

cool cool, thanks again guys and gals! really nice info here all around. yeah, virgin oil that visually i can see is clear, has got to be safe straight in the tank... at .05 micron (or is it .5), what's that gonna remove, the dandruff of a bed bug? ..... ?

You mention .05 and .5 micron, where do you get these numbers?

 

[romey]

my bad Kim! lol. tryin to figure out if it was on one of the wvo sites....? i could be completely wrong, may have confused it with microns in terms of water filtering or oil filtering in bypass systems, lol. maybe just ignore that part..

 

[Cruisin']

I looked through the study that Stone posted again looking to see if there were any lubricity numbers for Canola Oil, and saw none. I'd love to switch from 2-stroke oil to Canola (mostly for the nice smell!), but don't want to switch if there are no numbers to confirm that it is actually helping. Having someone say "it feels slippery" isn't enough for me. Does anyone have actual data showing the improvement in lubricity for Canola added to Diesel? Can I assume that it's the same as Bio (even though it's formulated differently)?

Thanks,
J

 

[kim]

I found the following from A.S. Ramadhas et al. / Renewable Energy 29 (2004) 727–742 731.

4. Experiments
A large number ofexperimen ts were carried out with vegetable oils as a replacement
of I.C. engine fuel by researchers from various parts of the world. Most of
these experiments were reported from US, Europe, India, Malaysia and Germany.
A summary ofthese experimental results is given below.
Christopher et al. [9] conducted two tests in Chicago using bio-diesel as an alternative
fuel for in-service motor coaches. This was an exploratory investigation to
determine the effect of fuel on the engine performance characteristics and infrastructure
needed to use this fuel. The testing proved that the bio-diesel could be
used as a feasible alternative fuel. Montague [10] conducted experiments by using
rapeseed oil in diesel engines. The introduction of5% of RME led to a reduction in
the volumetric efficiency around 0.4%. It has been reported that, even after a
71,50,000 km run by vehicles no abnormal aging was observed. The increase in

NOx and decrease in HC were detected. The increase of noise and smoke level
occurrence during cold start was also noted.
Hohl [11] conducted experiments by using rapeseed methyl ester and used cooking
oil to produce this. It has been reported that performance, emissions, oil changing
intervals, engine wear and knocking characteristics remain unchanged when
compared with the diesel fuel. Used cooking oil and ethyl ester exhaust emissions
are lower than that of diesel.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

None of the information on the lubricity benifits of any non petroleum product is going to be main stream. It's pretty obvious that canola is doing the job when you hear the difference in how your truck runs.

Like i've already said, my biggest worry with SVO is the fact it does contain glycerin because it hasn't been through the process to remove it. But if I know anything about dino diesel it's an amazing degreaser/cleaner, so I don't think it's worth worrying about the longevity of injectors etc... 20 000km's on the svo, no issues.

 

[romey]

so i tried a tank full of diesel with about 2% canola straight from walmart....hard to say, i think my mileage got a tad worse...? but, the weather has gotten a tad colder and my wife has driven most of it's mileage through suburb stuff and not as much highway use... so hard to say really....

to be really anal, i wish i would have tried this on our trip out west, then i'da been able to go tank for tank w/2% canola and w/lubricant and w/o either for it to be a bit more reliable (at same cruising speed, at same elevation, etc...)

it's getting colder so i'm gonna be back to using my gen49D by powerup for "piece of mind" . . . lol

by the way Kim, my buddies running wvo on their bj60s are filtering at 10micron prior to combustion (one is lookin at gettin a cheaper 2micron filter prior to the final filter to make his 10micron filters last longer....?)

cost wise, it's cheaper for lubricants unless i get canola at less than the price of diesel/litre...maybe costco will have a sale on those 20L canola oil pails...i doubt it though...or i make my own wvo....another story...