Who's running fuel lubricant?

[pathfinder_88]

Ok...here's another question then:

I stopped to fill up yesterday and the station I stopped at had a variety of bio blends as well as "straight" diesel. I just went with the regular diesel. Is there a preferred blend if price is similar? If so, what blend?

 

[canucksafari]

Ok...here's another question then:

I stopped to fill up yesterday and the station I stopped at had a variety of bio blends as well as "straight" diesel. I just went with the regular diesel. Is there a preferred blend if price is similar? If so, what blend?

I like B40 or B50 if the weather looks like it will stay warm. If the weather is going to be cold or it is late fall or winter, I just run regular diesel. In BC the tax break incentive is proportional to the amount of bio in the fuel. So your higher bio blends should be cheaper.

The other consideration is if you are using an additive. Many additives warn not to use with any biodiesel that is more than a B5 or a B10. Read the lables and then calculate based on how much regular diesel you have in the tank to figure out what blen you will have after filling.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Buy a jug of canola oil. Add a cup or two (or ten) before each fill up. Done.

Yes, seriously.

I mean this in a totally smugless way...I run B100, lubricity is not an issue for me; it's as slippery as it could be.

I definitaly X2 this, I've run Lucas, and Kleen flow fuel stabilizers, to lubricate my pump and injectors, but I didn't notice any difference in consumption or power...

However after running 5 to 15% canola, I noticed my truck ran quieter, the exhaust smelled a heck of a lot nicer than before, my egt's were down a few hundred degrees... I do however wonder how good the glycerine in SVO is for injectors, but I figure petro diesel is a great cleaner (you can degrease wheel bearings with it) and 5 to 15% canola shouldn't cause any issues at all especially in indirect injection diesels...

Also when mixing the SVO to diesel in a jerry can if you feel it after it's very very slippery!

just my thoughts

cheers

 

[kim]

From my understanding, there is no glycerine in vegetable oil.

 

[roscoFJ73]

I think it was at 156,000 kms when I did the rebuild. It really didn't need the rebuild but I got convinced by the shop that I should have it pulled apart and bench tested. I think they only replaced one part and that was likely because they had to replace something. The fuel shop guy said it was only "slightly worn". Like most people with pre-1993 rotary pump diesels, my rebuild was precipitated by a seal pissing out diesel and me not knowing better. I now have an $18 Zexel seal kit on hand, in case my other truck has the same problem or if someone else with a TD4.2 finds themselves heading down the $2000 rebuild road for a simple seal problem..

It does sound like they slipped into you. Fuel pump repair is a hard area to check up on.

Still, having paid the money once for a rebuild, the snake oil does help me sleep better. Also, it sure does cut down on the smoke in a NA diesel and gives it a little bit more pep. Yesterday afternoon, I started down the road from Fort St. James back to Abbotsford (about 1,000 kms) and forgot to put the snake oil in at fill-up. I ran that way until I hit 100 Mile House (around 500 kms down the road) where I topped but putting in the snake oil this time. The difference in power and where on the skinny pedal she will start to smoke is quite astounding, especially in the long climb up and out of 100 Mile House.

I sleep better with my money in my pocket.
If they were any good,it would be so easy to get an accreditted company to independantly verify their claims

 

[Stone]

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf

Probably not the best study, but is independent and yields some interesting results. First result from the almighty Google...lol. A good follow-up study would be a random sampling of ULSD fuel from different fuel stations and different petroleum companies, and seeing what their scores are. It would also have been good to have more information about the study...as it is, we have to assume the veracity of the "article".

Looks like using two stroke oil is better in terms of lubricity than the Howe's that I've been using. I'm going to look at other products, for sure..."snake oil" or not. I'm on my way to work, but I'm sure with a little more effort more meaningful information can be found.

I understand that some of you have had exceptional experiences not running any fuel additives in your older diesel engines...but I'm not going to personally roll the dice and trust that the fuel I pump into my tank from the numerous service stations that I frequent will be treated adequately to keep my fuel system happy. The cost per tank of these fuel additives (most of them) are not significant enough to prevent me from using them. For example...if a person is complaining that adding 30-60 mls of Howe's Diesel Treat into their 85L tank from a $21CAD 1/2 Gallon bottle of additive is probably too much of a cheap b*stard to own an older Toyota turbo diesel...lol.

Anyway, this is purely a personal preference and I am in no way trying to convince those who refuse to use additives to start using them. I have no shares in any of those additive companies and there are no benefits for me...just my opinion.

 

[Cruisin']

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf

Probably not the best study, but is independent and yields some interesting results. First result from the almighty Google...lol. A good follow-up study would be a random sampling of ULSD fuel from different fuel stations and different petroleum companies, and seeing what their scores are. It would also have been good to have more information about the study...as it is, we have to assume the veracity of the "article".

Looks like using two stroke oil is better in terms of lubricity than the Howe's that I've been using. I'm going to look at other products, for sure..."snake oil" or not. I'm on my way to work, but I'm sure with a little more effort more meaningful information can be found.

I understand that some of you have had exceptional experiences not running any fuel additives in your older diesel engines...but I'm not going to personally roll the dice and trust that the fuel I pump into my tank from the numerous service stations that I frequent will be treated adequately to keep my fuel system happy. The cost per tank of these fuel additives (most of them) are not significant enough to prevent me from using them. For example...if a person is complaining that adding 30-60 mls of Howe's Diesel Treat into their 85L tank from a $21CAD 1/2 Gallon bottle of additive is probably too much of a cheap b*stard to own an older Toyota turbo diesel...lol.

Anyway, this is purely a personal preference and I am in no way trying to convince those who refuse to use additives to start using them. I have no shares in any of those additive companies and there are no benefits for me...just my opinion.

Good find, Stone.

I've seen this report before, and based in it I chose to run the outboard 2-stroke oil (number 7 in the report). The oil they tested is available at Wal-Mart for under $4.00 per litre. They have two 2-stroke oils, so you have to look for the one with TC-W3 (don't know what is different, I just the one with test numbers). I figure I might as well use something that *should* make a difference for the life of my IP, and heck, its not going to do any harm. And for about $.02 per litre, my cheap a** can still sleep like a baby at night.

I still use some Howe's in the winter when it gets cold, but I figure the 2-stroke stuff is fine for most of the weather we get here.

 

[mikebj42]

Sulphur lubes the metal parts not the rubber seals. Its the aromatics in LSD which keeps rubber seals soft and from shrinking and cracking. The process to remove the sulphur from diesel also removes the aromatics. There is no product available to fix this issue short of changing the seals and hoses ot the viton type material. Biodiesel will also disolve old rubber seals and hoses if the concentration is high enough. If your rig is 1993 or newer, then you won't likely have a rubber seal or hose problem. Most manufacturers started using Viton type materials for seals and hoses then. BTW, bioddiesel or SVO makes for good lube as well. B5 or a B10 is more than enough to get back the lube qualities of LSD.

I run 100% Bio in my BJ42. No problems with anything other than a little more power. I have heard this many times that Bio disolves rubber. I have 2 pieces of rubber in a jar of bio. 1 piece is filler tube that is fuel resistant, and the other is heater hose. We'll see how long it lasts. So far it's been 3 months and nothing. Hasn't even softened up the filler line.

But hey that's just my $0.02. And I never run diesel without adding lube like howes.

 

[canucksafari]

I have 2 pieces of rubber in a jar of bio. 1 piece is filler tube that is fuel resistant, and the other is heater hose. We'll see how long it lasts. So far it's been 3 months and nothing. Hasn't even softened up the filler line.

Just a guess, but if you added some heat (like that normal found in the engine bay and in your IP) and say a 1000-2000 L of fuel running through it, you will likely have different results.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

I've ran two stoke oil in the past also, you can pour lots of things into a diesel tank... lol

I'm telling you though 5 to 15% canola oil has more obvious benifits than anything, not to mention it's good for the environment!

great links Stone, glad I stopped using that lucas crap damn!

 

[canucksafari]

I'm telling you though 5 to 15% canola oil has more obvious benifits than anything, not to mention it's good for the environment!

Its really only "good for the environment" in relation to regular diesel if you are using waste oil. Large tracts of rain forest continue to be laid waste for palm oil plantations, canola and soy production - the worlds main sources of agro diesel. Unused agro oil production has also taken a significant part of the world's land out of food production and into fuel production. This is an important contributor to the ongoing food crisis in much of the world. While agro diesel gives the impression that it is carbon nuetral, there are a number of studies which show that the carbon released in the production of agro diesel is actually more than burning dino diesel.

Some more reading:
Monbiot.com Worse Than Fossil Fuel
Biodiesel may worsen global warming relative to petroleum diesel

At the same time, I see nothing wrong with burning reclaimed oils and fats to make biodiesel. There are other interesting technologies around which can produce light crude out of practically any complex carbon molecule (wood, diapers, plastic, sewer sludge, etc). Only poblem is that governments in North America and Europe prefer to subsidies famers rather than invest in new energy technologies.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

You're exactly right, i'm not talking using SVO for fuel, just as an additive.

Personally I think there are better plants in the world that are easier to grow and have a very high resin content for fuels like hemp! but unfortunatly it is still strictly regulated...


“Farming only six percent of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass [from hemp] crops would provide all of American’s gas and oil energy needs, ending dependence upon fossil fuels.” Jack Herer

 

[canucksafari]

“Farming only six percent of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass [from hemp] crops would provide all of American’s gas and oil energy needs, ending dependence upon fossil fuels.” Jack Herer

Eric, do you have some links related to this? I'd like to do some more reading on it.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Just type Hemp for fuel in google, or uses for hemp!

believe it or not henry ford built cars from hemp, and there is rumor that his first car was built to run on hemp. It's pretty hush hush though, i'm sure the government stepped in and said people growing there own fuel? We can't have this!
YouTube - Car made from hemp henry ford

alot of the info comes and goes off the internet, which is why links are hard to keep, much like hydrogen cells that people make (joe cells and moe cells) plans are only around for a short time until they mysteriously disappear...

cheers and happy reading!

Heals
Every
Major
Problem

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Just found this one, must have been reposted

YouTube - Hemp - The Environmentally Sustainable Alternative (Part 1)

another

YouTube - Legalizing industrial hemp- Reasons why

a possible cure for cancer

YouTube - Cancer Cure: Rick Simpson Pt.1

 

[rockcrawler]

Just type Hemp for fuel in google, or uses for hemp!

believe it or not henry ford built cars from hemp, and there is rumor that his first car was built to run on hemp. It's pretty hush hush though, i'm sure the government stepped in and said people growing there own fuel? We can't have this!
YouTube - Car made from hemp henry ford

alot of the info comes and goes off the internet, which is why links are hard to keep, much like hydrogen cells that people make (joe cells and moe cells) plans are only around for a short time until they mysteriously disappear...

cheers and happy reading!

Heals
Every
Major
Problem

Hydrogen or browns gas is the solution IMO as it burns completely clean and there's no shortage of water... not that we are going to see this being used on a large scale of course. Whatever you read on the internet regarding the generation of browns gas isn't going to give you all the details to make a fully functional gas generation system that can power a motor. Same as whatever patents you come across will have certain parts of the technology removed to make it unusable. The brute force approach to generating the gas does not work i.e. x amps in = x amount of gas out, there is only very little gain in energy. Claims of 10-20% improvement in fuel efficiency are just rubbish. Not saying its not possible to make a system for a vehicle that runs it 100% on water, it is, but those people in the know either have $$$$$$$ delusions of grandeur or are paranoid about divulging it (and rightly so) that they aren't going to tell you. A good friend of mine knows Joe of "Joe Cell", quite a gifted guy that's for sure but he is just a farmer and he really doesn't know how the thing works other than it just does. He has dismantled his car that used this cell (a Ford Escort) as he has had enough of being hounded. There is a bit of information on his cell on the net but as you start reading this stuff it usually degenerates into mysticism at the point where an answer for its working is needed as the authors don't really have a clue. Makes me wonder just what it is they are smoking.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

I've read a lot about it, definitaly amazing!

I want to try and build a moe cell soon

 

[romey]

used lynncorp, then used howes, and the meaner kleaner one, then found gen49D which lots of guys raved about (used in diesel engines in mines up north, and has lowest additive to fuel ratio...8ml/10L). think i paid 125$ for 6 bottles that lasted me 2.5 years (and i'm sure i overdosed slightly for yet more piece of mind, lol), i think i did notice a difference, barely any smoke and the engine ran very quietly...who knows maybe it's placebo effect. i tried lucas then heard bad things about them... guess i'm just one of the suckers for snake oil out there, gotta teall ya, this "piece of mind" tactic surely works for all these companies! also heard some really good things about flashlube from australia, but that's really expensive, i think 40 bucks a bottle?!

it was nice reading all the comments, very interestting topic indeed. there's always guys out there that just keep it simple and still have great running rigs, then there's guys that do the additives and then have great running rigs... just like the dyno vs synth or semisynth oil talks...

i used up my last bottle of gen49D and will prolly get howes at the closest diesel pump station...for piece of mind...

maybe i'm scared to try canola oil....so uh, do i just go find some cheap canola and throw the bottle in at a fill up? say 1L/90L of diesel?? for lubricity, or is that too much? or premix in a jerry can with diesel, then add that to the tank at fill up...? so it's diluted more consistently...?

 

[kim]

Don't be scared of canola, I've run upwards of 30 percent canola mixed with diesel. It smells better and runs quieter. I couldn't say I noticed any performance difference.

 

[canucksafari]

Don't be scared of canola, I've run upwards of 30 percent canola mixed with diesel. It smells better and runs quieter. I couldn't say I noticed any performance difference.

Some people have all the luck at finding a source of clean free canola!