What year do I want?

[ga12r1]

If zombie is a concern, then i will hijack a Toyota Prius. I don’t want to stop at a gas station too often and risk being eaten by zombies.

Give me a straight axle Hilux. End of discussion

 

[atnolan94]

Give me a straight axle Hilux. End of discussion

Deezol of course

 

[TheIcemanCometh]

I almost forgot adaptive cruise control. That was another reason we went 16+

Although the ACC in the LC is extremely basic - it’s way ahead of conventional cruise for driving in traffic.

It is also in the 13*-15, IMHO it is a PITA and I turn it off. *I believe it began in MY 13 maybe a year earlier.

For the OP if you are driving 150 miles a day, I would not be buying an LC for that. Especially as it seems you are on asphalt/concrete roads. I would be buying a something very comfortable that gets good gas mileage or even consider a hybrid/electric vehicle. Further, as it is work vehicle I might consider a leased vehicle.

 

[bloc]

Being in 200 tech is daunting so bear with me.

So much to unpack. 4wd is 4wd. Articulation is articulation. and size and wheelbase are what they are. I realize ATRAC works well as I have a 2000 LC, but theres wayyyyyy more to discuss.

First point I agree somewhat; stock for stock the f250 does not articulate better. Stock front wheel travel is like 6 inches. the rear leafs are so stiff that even with all the rear end weight on one wheel you won't be at full bump. But like $5k in a Carli kit I have 12-14" of front wheel travel, softer leafs in the back and like 14-16" of wheel travel. I now comfortably clear 37s and with a rear locker that's an extremely capable vehicle. Not to mention the 1000 ft lb of torque in the deezols. ATRAC will never replace a locker. And a cruiser will never replace a truck in terms of utility. Stock for stock they aren't even worth comparing because they are built for completely different things. This is why I own both. The truck does great at the ranch and on my commute. Cruiser is great to wheel with and camp out of. To answer OP, what you'll miss is the power and the bed utility in my opinion. I went a while without a truck, just a cruiser and an LS460. Ultimately the lack of utility in the cruiser became and issue for me as we got more involved in Farming and Ranching.

Will a cruiser do better on tight, windy mountain trails? In the woods of Arkansas? Absolutely, and it is what I take to Arkansas and Colorado. Will the truck do compete or do better basically everywhere else? Absolutely, and that's why it goes to the ranch and honestly if we did another Moab trip I would have to consider the truck. What I am saying is there is no point comparing because they are totally different vehicles. This isn't comparing a cruiser to a sequoia, or even a Tacoma to a Ranger. We are talking about two vehicles which serve completely different purposes and are both A+ at what they are made for. Why even waste your breath comparing?

The cruiser gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues. The truck gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues and can also haul out our dead JD 5075EE tractor with a chain (did that on Saturday), bring a trailer out with a heavy steel duck blind (done that 100x), and make life a lot easier when you can load up a bed and not mess with a trailer. The truck is BIG, and tight areas are a no go. But in Waco Texas a tight squeeze is not a common sight. FWIW I have a place right up the road in Hamilton, but primarily go to my waterfowl place in Paris.

This will spook a lot of people around 200 tech and MUD in general, but if the zombie apocalypse came I would take the F250. I am preparing to be flamed by the fanboys. To OP if I had a ranch (which I do) I would miss the truck big time (which I did). In all honestly you'll regret ditching the truck IMHO. Not saying its a better vehicle. I am saying it is better for your needs.View attachment 2718020

No flame, but even a modern emissions diesel for zombie hypothetical?

 

[Madtiger]

It is also in the 13*-15, IMHO it is a PITA and I turn it off. *I believe it began in MY 13 maybe a year earlier.

For the OP if you are driving 150 miles a day, I would not be buying an LC for that. Especially as it seems you are on asphalt/concrete roads. I would be buying a something very comfortable that gets good gas mileage or even consider a hybrid/electric vehicle. Further, as it is work vehicle I might consider a leased vehicle.

IF I were to give up my LC, then the ONLY car i would get is a 2021+ F150 HYBRID. F*cking portable whole house generator on board! That maybe the most practical vehicle on the planet currently.

 

[DirtDawg]

No flame, but even a modern emissions diesel for zombie hypothetical?

Can’t speak for other diesel owners, but in fear of the zombie apocalypse I went ahead and addressed that problem or at least that’s what I’ll tell the government when they come knocking on my door.

 

[atnolan94]

No flame, but even a modern emissions diesel for zombie hypothetical?

This is a fair question, and one answered well by my pal @DirtDawg

 

[CJATE]

Being in 200 tech is daunting so bear with me.

So much to unpack. 4wd is 4wd. Articulation is articulation. and size and wheelbase are what they are. I realize ATRAC works well as I have a 2000 LC, but theres wayyyyyy more to discuss.

First point I agree somewhat; stock for stock the f250 does not articulate better. Stock front wheel travel is like 6 inches. the rear leafs are so stiff that even with all the rear end weight on one wheel you won't be at full bump. But like $5k in a Carli kit I have 12-14" of front wheel travel, softer leafs in the back and like 14-16" of wheel travel. I now comfortably clear 37s and with a rear locker that's an extremely capable vehicle. Not to mention the 1000 ft lb of torque in the deezols. ATRAC will never replace a locker. And a cruiser will never replace a truck in terms of utility. Stock for stock they aren't even worth comparing because they are built for completely different things. This is why I own both. The truck does great at the ranch and on my commute. Cruiser is great to wheel with and camp out of. To answer OP, what you'll miss is the power and the bed utility in my opinion. I went a while without a truck, just a cruiser and an LS460. Ultimately the lack of utility in the cruiser became and issue for me as we got more involved in Farming and Ranching.

Will a cruiser do better on tight, windy mountain trails? In the woods of Arkansas? Absolutely, and it is what I take to Arkansas and Colorado. Will the truck do compete or do better basically everywhere else? Absolutely, and that's why it goes to the ranch and honestly if we did another Moab trip I would have to consider the truck. What I am saying is there is no point comparing because they are totally different vehicles. This isn't comparing a cruiser to a sequoia, or even a Tacoma to a Ranger. We are talking about two vehicles which serve completely different purposes and are both A+ at what they are made for. Why even waste your breath comparing?

The cruiser gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues. The truck gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues and can also haul out our dead JD 5075EE tractor with a chain (did that on Saturday), bring a trailer out with a heavy steel duck blind (done that 100x), and make life a lot easier when you can load up a bed and not mess with a trailer. The truck is BIG, and tight areas are a no go. But in Waco Texas a tight squeeze is not a common sight. FWIW I have a place right up the road in Hamilton, but primarily go to my waterfowl place in Paris.

This will spook a lot of people around 200 tech and MUD in general, but if the zombie apocalypse came I would take the F250. I am preparing to be flamed by the fanboys. To OP if I had a ranch (which I do) I would miss the truck big time (which I did). In all honestly you'll regret ditching the truck IMHO. Not saying its a better vehicle. I am saying it is better for your needs.View attachment 2718020

Well now I don’t know what to do. Lol. Had it not been for the chip shortage, I’d not consider a change. But the F250 is not what I’d choose to commute 150 miles a day. I’ve been thinking I’d miss my bed. And I have loved this truck.

i had a Carli pintop on my last truck. And I’d do it again if I wanted to run 37’s. Just can’t justify with this many highway miles. I’m running 35’s stock. Perhaps I’ll delete it and keep it.

I understand the discussion on capability. Acknowledging the name of this group, I’m in the mud more then rocks, although I’d prefer wheeling without mud. But I’ve got a scrambler locked and twinsticked for that.

 

[ga12r1]

To be honest anything you gain by selling the 250 will be lost by having to over pay for a Cruiser right now. Cruiser prices are way up.

 

[bloc]

To be honest anything you gain by selling the 250 will be lost by having to over pay for a Cruiser right now. Cruiser prices are way up.

I have two friends with 100s that were looking at upgrading and noped out seeing the current market.

 

[stonekutters]

Re ACC, the LC version has a minimum speed vs the LX which is all speed in case you face a lot of stop and go traffic.

 

[bloc]

ACC depends a lot on the particular year model. My 13 cruiser has the older implementation, but my friends 13LX doesn’t have radar cruise at all.

 

[Tex68w]

Being in 200 tech is daunting so bear with me.

So much to unpack. 4wd is 4wd. Articulation is articulation. and size and wheelbase are what they are. I realize ATRAC works well as I have a 2000 LC, but theres wayyyyyy more to discuss.

First point I agree somewhat; stock for stock the f250 does not articulate better. Stock front wheel travel is like 6 inches. the rear leafs are so stiff that even with all the rear end weight on one wheel you won't be at full bump. But like $5k in a Carli kit I have 12-14" of front wheel travel, softer leafs in the back and like 14-16" of wheel travel. I now comfortably clear 37s and with a rear locker that's an extremely capable vehicle. Not to mention the 1000 ft lb of torque in the deezols. ATRAC will never replace a locker. And a cruiser will never replace a truck in terms of utility. Stock for stock they aren't even worth comparing because they are built for completely different things. This is why I own both. The truck does great at the ranch and on my commute. Cruiser is great to wheel with and camp out of. To answer OP, what you'll miss is the power and the bed utility in my opinion. I went a while without a truck, just a cruiser and an LS460. Ultimately the lack of utility in the cruiser became and issue for me as we got more involved in Farming and Ranching.

Will a cruiser do better on tight, windy mountain trails? In the woods of Arkansas? Absolutely, and it is what I take to Arkansas and Colorado. Will the truck do compete or do better basically everywhere else? Absolutely, and that's why it goes to the ranch and honestly if we did another Moab trip I would have to consider the truck. What I am saying is there is no point comparing because they are totally different vehicles. This isn't comparing a cruiser to a sequoia, or even a Tacoma to a Ranger. We are talking about two vehicles which serve completely different purposes and are both A+ at what they are made for. Why even waste your breath comparing?

The cruiser gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues. The truck gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues and can also haul out our dead JD 5075EE tractor with a chain (did that on Saturday), bring a trailer out with a heavy steel duck blind (done that 100x), and make life a lot easier when you can load up a bed and not mess with a trailer. The truck is BIG, and tight areas are a no go. But in Waco Texas a tight squeeze is not a common sight. FWIW I have a place right up the road in Hamilton, but primarily go to my waterfowl place in Paris.

This will spook a lot of people around 200 tech and MUD in general, but if the zombie apocalypse came I would take the F250. I am preparing to be flamed by the fanboys. To OP if I had a ranch (which I do) I would miss the truck big time (which I did). In all honestly you'll regret ditching the truck IMHO. Not saying its a better vehicle. I am saying it is better for your needs.View attachment 2718020

I agree with the majority of this and it's why after a two year hiatus without a HD truck I decided to pick up another. There are simply some things you can't do with the LC and nothing short of a diesel truck will suffice. I am grateful to have both as they each fill a roll and niche and do so quite well. I don't want to drag the LC around the ranch and I don't want to do a cross country in the truck, different missions, different roles, both are needed and both are appreciated.

 

[montegofd3s]

It is also in the 13*-15, IMHO it is a PITA and I turn it off. *I believe it began in MY 13 maybe a year earlier.

For the OP if you are driving 150 miles a day, I would not be buying an LC for that. Especially as it seems you are on asphalt/concrete roads. I would be buying a something very comfortable that gets good gas mileage or even consider a hybrid/electric vehicle. Further, as it is work vehicle I might consider a leased vehicle.

No way you could lease a vehicle with the miles he is piling on. I do drive 75ish miles a day. I can't think of another vehicle I would rather do it in than a 200 series. Just pile miles on.

 

[borfoo3]

Being in 200 tech is daunting so bear with me.

So much to unpack. 4wd is 4wd. Articulation is articulation. and size and wheelbase are what they are. I realize ATRAC works well as I have a 2000 LC, but theres wayyyyyy more to discuss.

First point I agree somewhat; stock for stock the f250 does not articulate better. Stock front wheel travel is like 6 inches. the rear leafs are so stiff that even with all the rear end weight on one wheel you won't be at full bump. But like $5k in a Carli kit I have 12-14" of front wheel travel, softer leafs in the back and like 14-16" of wheel travel. I now comfortably clear 37s and with a rear locker that's an extremely capable vehicle. Not to mention the 1000 ft lb of torque in the deezols. ATRAC will never replace a locker. And a cruiser will never replace a truck in terms of utility. Stock for stock they aren't even worth comparing because they are built for completely different things. This is why I own both. The truck does great at the ranch and on my commute. Cruiser is great to wheel with and camp out of. To answer OP, what you'll miss is the power and the bed utility in my opinion. I went a while without a truck, just a cruiser and an LS460. Ultimately the lack of utility in the cruiser became and issue for me as we got more involved in Farming and Ranching.

Will a cruiser do better on tight, windy mountain trails? In the woods of Arkansas? Absolutely, and it is what I take to Arkansas and Colorado. Will the truck do compete or do better basically everywhere else? Absolutely, and that's why it goes to the ranch and honestly if we did another Moab trip I would have to consider the truck. What I am saying is there is no point comparing because they are totally different vehicles. This isn't comparing a cruiser to a sequoia, or even a Tacoma to a Ranger. We are talking about two vehicles which serve completely different purposes and are both A+ at what they are made for. Why even waste your breath comparing?

The cruiser gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues. The truck gets me around the ranch comfortably with no issues and can also haul out our dead JD 5075EE tractor with a chain (did that on Saturday), bring a trailer out with a heavy steel duck blind (done that 100x), and make life a lot easier when you can load up a bed and not mess with a trailer. The truck is BIG, and tight areas are a no go. But in Waco Texas a tight squeeze is not a common sight. FWIW I have a place right up the road in Hamilton, but primarily go to my waterfowl place in Paris.

This will spook a lot of people around 200 tech and MUD in general, but if the zombie apocalypse came I would take the F250. I am preparing to be flamed by the fanboys. To OP if I had a ranch (which I do) I would miss the truck big time (which I did). In all honestly you'll regret ditching the truck IMHO. Not saying its a better vehicle. I am saying it is better for your needs.

even for this smaller petrol engine 200, towing dead tractors was only breakfast...

 

[atnolan94]

Well now I don’t know what to do. Lol. Had it not been for the chip shortage, I’d not consider a change. But the F250 is not what I’d choose to commute 150 miles a day. I’ve been thinking I’d miss my bed. And I have loved this truck.

i had a Carli pintop on my last truck. And I’d do it again if I wanted to run 37’s. Just can’t justify with this many highway miles. I’m running 35’s stock. Perhaps I’ll delete it and keep it.

I understand the discussion on capability. Acknowledging the name of this group, I’m in the mud more then rocks, although I’d prefer wheeling without mud. But I’ve got a scrambler locked and twinsticked for that.

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I will challenge your thoughts here a little. I think you should go get a Carli level, add a track bar, add rear shocks, and add the rear leaf pack. You’re looking at maybe $4500 sure. Just stick to your 35s. To me the double in front suspension travel made the truck so much more manageable for day to day driving. I commute in mine. Did a business trip to Austin last week. Down to Austin Monday back Tuesday, almost no driver fatigue. That extra 6” of front travel and 15% lighter rate on the rear springs totally changed the experience IMO. And lee brought up a great point none of us are considering. Cruisers might be up MORE than Super Duties, so in the end you really don’t come out ahead.

just my .02.