What travel trailer does your 80 tow? Need some advice.

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valkyrie610 said:
Stock '91 3FE, 4.88's with 33's (no swaybars either) pulling Fleetwood Evo II (3,500 dry; probably close to 4,000 loaded) using Kaymar rear bumper & brake controller.

I think you need to actually weigh that thing - advertised GVWR, and the one posted on the trailer's data plate, is 3500 pounds (it has a 3500 pound axle) and empty weight is about 2500.... I just can't see ANY 11 foot popup being close to 2 tons empty, even if you added generator/ ac and a bunch of water tanks. I had a 27 foot travel trailer with "the works" and it was 4800 pounds unladen.

http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/brandtomodel/floorplan.aspx?brand=evolution&m=E2

Have you considered using an equalizing hitch? What's the tongue weight as you have it loaded in the picture? Unladen it is almost 400 pounds, and that's a heck of a vertical load on the rear end of an 80. I used to tow with a 1984 3/4 ton 2wd Suburban (with the 1 Ton 14 bolt rear end) and even with that I wouldn't consider towing that much tongue weight without an equalizing hitch of some sort.

How do you like the trailer and how does it tow off-pavement? I am sort-of considering the smaller Evo 1 for camping with my KTM dirt bike. The tongue weight is a real negative feature for me - you can't tow on bad surfaces with an equalizing hitch because it doesn't articulate well and it hangs WAY down, and that is just the situation where you need it most. Bummer. Some more pics would be greatly appreciated.

John Davies
Spokane WA
 
Catching up from a long absence from this forum, as race season priorities moved my 80 passion and tweeks back to track hauler and daily driver. For this particular thread (and the 'water temp' thread I see a bit further down), I managed to do some unintended practical data acquisition a couple weeks ago.

Here is the pic of my 80 doing vacation duty in northern MI last month. 24 foot Mallard (84 vintage) loaded probably around 5200+. Temps were 70-100degrees during the week long trip.

About 1900 miles logged. Including 150 or so with full waste tanks (that's almost a full tank of gas) pushing close to 7000lbs. Notice I passed on the equalizers. I used aribags at 35lbs rear 15 front, tekonsha inertia brake controller.

A few wags during nasty crosswinds (a sail area problem I hadn't figured when thinking about car trailer comparo weight). With supercharger spitting 6-7psi, I got about 11mpg, running 70-75mph.

I changed the oil to mobil 1, changed the trans fluid to mobil 1, and ran with no radiator shroud, my Steamboat clipped and modded radiator, and a clipped fan blade. I installed a temporary autometer temp guage. Temps were between 200-220, which I considered quite normal.

I have some other data on some other threads (yes dan, I am working on fuel and other engine toy stuff), but I'll be posting sporadically as I zip the miles up on my 80 quickly...

Cheers

Scott Justusson
'94 FZJ80 Supercharged
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Well, you could be right, and I haven't weighed it. I have 864's in the rear, and normally travel with a generator, 15g of water, 10-15g of gas and spare parts/tools amongst other camping crap.

Loading junk on the front does change the tongue weight, but I don't know how much, but the bumper is rated at something like 750# tongue weight, and I think I'm under that.

When it's hooked up it sits level.

As far as the trailer goes, it's alot more than I'd ever have for myself, but the wife drove the decision. I have always camped pretty spartan, but I must admit that it is real nice having your own bathroom, being able to take a nice shower anytime and napping in the afternoon with the AC... the facilites were what dictated the E2 over the E1.

It tows well on the trail, although I don't do long distance expedition type stuff. My biggest complaint is visibility- you can't see a thing behind you due to both height & width.

Looks like I oughta weigh it next trip... I'll try to hit a weigh station on the way to Hot Springs in two weeks and post back up (although I won't have the generator, fuel or water on board).

I don't have another picture of it hooked up to the truck...
 
John E Davies said:
Have you considered using an equalizing hitch? What's the tongue weight as you have it loaded in the picture? Unladen it is almost 400 pounds, and that's a heck of a vertical load on the rear end of an 80. I used to tow with a 1984 3/4 ton 2wd Suburban (with the 1 Ton 14 bolt rear end) and even with that I wouldn't consider towing that much tongue weight without an equalizing hitch of some sort.

How do you like the trailer and how does it tow off-pavement? I am sort-of considering the smaller Evo 1 for camping with my KTM dirt bike. The tongue weight is a real negative feature for me - you can't tow on bad surfaces with an equalizing hitch because it doesn't articulate well and it hangs WAY down, and that is just the situation where you need it most. Bummer. Some more pics would be greatly appreciated.

John Davies
Spokane WA

John:
Tongue weight on the stock towing package is 500lbs. I regularly see that and more with my car hauler. Equalizer hitches (I have both equalizer and equalizer/sway setups) aren't an automatic without a lot of variables. My Brewer car trailer tracks flawlessly when properly loaded (I load to the 60/40 trailer rule, the tongue weight doesn't matter to me).

In my trailer towing experience, finding level on a given trailer is the biggest key. Fully loaded (80 and trailer) I prefer perfect level trailer frame. With the airbags, tongue weight isn't really an issue to me (YMMV). In fact, when I rented the Mallard above, the only question I asked the RV guy was "what's the trailer hitch level measure". He repeatedly expressed his appreciation of my question, and was quick to respond.

Overall height and trailer loading are the next two keys. Height really isn't an issue with a popup, but it is with an enclosed. I personally won't run with an enclosed again without some sort of sway control. However, I'd run a popup to max tongue without any, especially if it's properly loaded and level to the ground.

Finally, a good brake controller and proper tuning of it can overcome some of the above. Too much trailer brake can cause some nasty sway, and is the most dangerous (IMO) variable in proper trailering. I tend to go by feel, I want my combined setup to brake the same as my 80 sans trailer. The tendency by many is to put too much brake to the trailer to "save" the 80 brakes. 80's especially, are very sensitive to this, as a quick tug on the rear end of an 80 can start a nasty oscillation. Hence my tendency toward inertial controllers.

John, for your preference/concerns my suggestion is to put on the equalizer to 'get' where you are going (read:highway), then pull the bars (or even change out the rear hitch) for the ground clearance as you head off/rough roading.

HTH

Scott Justusson
 
What I tow now...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/58092058/1058092513028774797CpMUtA

2002 Fleetwood Coleman 20' pop-up
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) (lbs.) 3,500
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) (lbs.) 2,635
Unloaded Tongue Weight (UTW) (lbs.) 195
Maximum Carrying Capacity (MCC) (lbs.) 865
Length (Open) 25' 0"
Length (Closed) 19' 2"
Water Storage (gal) 26
Water Heater (gal) 6

Other options/items...
AC unit
3kw portable generator
5" lift (axle flipped -no added weight but worth mentioning :) )
Water Jugs 15 gal
Gas can 5 gal
2nd battery
2nd propane tank

Total of ~4300 lbs fully loaded (est. Trailer Weight ~3600lbs plus est. LC load ~700 lbs)


what I plan on towing... :)

this or this

I figure I'd be in the range of 5k lbs. for a weekend camping trip up to 6k lbs loaded with 2 (250cc) quads and accessories.

I don't think it will happen unless I decide to add a supercharger so we may be talking a year or two down the road depending on how the stock market fares :crybaby:

WET
 
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Wow, I was thinking about upgrading to an 80 and towing a regular travel trailer, but I think I'll stick with my 4Runner and big popup.

My 4Runner is a 1999 V6 5spd 4wd on 285's with 4.88's.

Popup is a 2005 Fleetwood Niagara.

Cat scales show the popup at 3600 pounds-400 of that as tongue weight.

4Runner weighs 4900 pounds with nobody in it.

I can tow at any speed I want with no sway, but usually don't go over 70, sometimes 75 mph. No weight distribution hitch, but I do use a sway bar. I get 12mpg when towing in mountains and about 13mpg towing on flat ground.

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starcraft 13 rt

I tow a star craft 13 rt with weight distribution hitch and brake controler. The motors a little tired but no problem except steep grades, and just lost HG at 233000. Sure glad it happend before my Baja trip. My 93 80 is stock except dba front rotores, pads and lots of pm. On the deck of the trailer under all the kids stuff theres a Kipor gererator. Great trailer. Hope it holds up in mexico.
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