Water crossing gone wrong

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Good evening, just got back from a grand night in the woods. I went wheeling with a buddy when we got to an intense water crossing. Just to be safe we hook the truck's butt up to the 80's winch in case things went wrong. I don't have a snorkel and when I bought the truck it had the ricer air intake, very lame indeed.

So off I went, free spooling the winch behind me. It gets hairy but I make it up the other side pretty quickly. We disconnect, then discuss the route as my buddy cautiously surveys the crossing. He goes and we make it. So onward we wheel until we have had our fill and it's time to go. We get back to the crossing and the 80 makes it first. I go for it thinking "made it before, just slow and easy and it's nothing". Of course I stalled in the middle, not the first time I've swamped a truck in freezing weather.

After a 15 minute ordeal the truck was pulled free from the water. I cleaned my intake and pulled the plugs. After getting the water out SUPRISE :lol:, it won't start.

So far I have pulled the dist cap, rotor spins and sparks work.
The "check engine" light works and the water level only got up to the bottom of the computer's plugs. I pulled the connecting plugs and they were all clean and dry. Fuel pump works and fuel is getting to the rails. The air flow meter's plug was wet as were the coil's plugs. I cleaned and dried them all. I dried every part of the air flow meter I could reach, then I pulled off the meter's top cover. Everything was dry inside. I had a topped off tank going into this, I didn't think I could take enough water in to fowl things.

When I turn the key everything sounds normal, even feels like compression is normal. I think I got too much water in electrical things that hate water. My buddy offered to tow it home but I've had enough tonight. We towed my beast up to a camp site and ditched it. Tomorrow morning it's coming home under it's own power or otherwise. I've got a buttload of fresh fluids and grease when I get it back. If there is anything I may have overlooked I could use the help. I'm bringing the compression gauge too.:D:D:D
 
you need to spray some wd40 or pbblaster into the cap and then wipe it out. it can have a small amount of moisture and ground out the spark.
 
Well we have recovered the beast. The cams lined up at top dead center with the crank so I am 99% sure that I have no compression. I could not find my compression tester but I will get one on there tomorrow to confirm this. Then I gotta tear into it, I should have the heads off by tomorrow night. I'm hoping that I blew out the HG's before the water pressure tried to equalize force another way:eek:. It wasn't revving into the water and when things died I didn't jam on the starter.

I definitely have spark and the timing is true. Fuel is definitely flowing through the injectors. If it's something besides no compression I will be surprised. I've had water in the fuel over the years with trucks but they still tried to run like crap. This thing isn't even trying to sputter when I turn it.

Anyway I just got back from my work Christmas party, won 200$:D:D:D. That should be my gaskets if that is the case. If rods bent or things cracked then I will just have to go from there. Once I get through this mess I will re-evaluate the ARB Snorkel for my 2008 budget:D:D:D.

The first time we went through the truck's nose was rising at the other side of the crossing. The reciprocal course dropped the nose just low enough for the bogus intake to eat it:doh:.

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Here's some links to pics.

This time I made it.
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The Cruiser making it across on the way home, and the rest.:o
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I am having trouble getting the video crap together. I gotta get back to work, got a fun day ahead! :D:D:D
 
You mean the mark on the cam sprocket is at 12:00 when the crank is at TDC? that's not right, it should be over at about 11:30-11:45ish... not right at 12. Cool pics, but you can only see them if you have a myspace acount..... not that I do!!! No, that would be weird.... :D
 
Sorry about that. I only got Gayspace to stay in touch with all my slacker buddies that moved out of town.

I'll take another look at the camshaft positions with the crank at TDC. Been busy all day trying to get the shop truck running well enough to grab more tools.
 
I may have mis-communicated the location of the crank's timing mark. I have it lining up with the index for the timing light at zero degrees, not straight up. At the index zero mark the notches on the cam sprockets are straight up. I'm gona triple check this tomorrow, battery died so no compression test yet. I took apart a bunch of small things and marked parts so I'm ready to dig deeper.

I carry all of my tools, they were either soaked or frozen from being submerged. I think the bench is done too, frozen stiff like a popsicle now. Most of my junk survived though. Radio Shack's little meters are pretty tough little bastards. I lent out my torque wrench so it's okay but I forgot who the hell has it.:doh:I'm done for the night, my plans were a little ambitious considering the truck is still a muddy block of ice. I would like the compression test before I go further.
 
Compression test here we go:
#1: 70
#2: 50
#3: 25
#4: 90
#5: 50
#6: 60

Time to dig in! I just got the plenum off, it has been snowing since I sucked water in this thing Friday night. We should have heavy snow through tomorrow night :doh:. So I'm back in my 83 CJ-7 with no heat, no PS, no defrost, no wipers and no radio. When I turn left water and snow pours all over my left side. The burning irony of this is the Jeep has a winch AND an ARB Snorkel. I backed the wrong pony :doh:.

Also this should give everyone a good laugh!:D:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XriOm9HUpHU
 
Actually my buddy driving the Cruiser caught me wrenching tonight with a smile. I will not let the truck die. This may be more down time then I want for winter but so be it. :D:D:D
 
Also this should give everyone a good laugh!:D:D:D

YouTube - Water crossing gone terribly wrong
I'm not laughing, because I know how expensive it will be. Don't be foolish like me by rebuilding the Engine, put a brand new four barrel Carbed Chevy Vortec 4.3L V6 in.

That's alot deeper than what it took to hydraulic my Engine, as I didn't get any water in the Cab or even the Tray. From my experience the water came in via the Airbox join and not by the intake behind the Headlight.

As an alternative Air Filter setup, I'm using Donaldson Part Number: H002437 and a Uni Filter Part Number: PRECLEAN3 SML inside the Safari Snorkel. :cheers: Be careful installing the Safari Snorkel as the template is inaccurate.

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Actually if it needs another motor it's getting the same thing. Unfortunately I live in an apartment, there is no where for me to wrench on this thing but under my carport, I'm lucky I even have that. It will take me months to save up enough for a shop to drop in an engine, let alone a swap. Those are the breaks, gotta pay to play. :D:D:D
 
Damn, it's cold out! Finally an update, the heads were removed today. It looks like I did not bend any of my rods, I got a second opinion for bends too. Every piston reaches the top and so far I cannot find any cracks on the heads. I plan on more cleaning and inspecting of parts before I declare victory but things look promising.

Before this happened it was short sleeve weather every day after work. Since the fiasco started I don't think we have gotten above freezing once, kind of a Murphy's Law thing on messing up your engine. My original time estimate reflected this grander weather. I needed more pullers than I remember for all the ice between things :D:D:D. There is still freakin snow everywhere, I have not seen weather like this in years for Flagstaff.

Even if I can scrape by with an HG job this time I am certain that this engine's days are numbered. Jonathan, thanks for planting the bug! I think the near future calls for a swap and I'm going to eat my words on replacing the 3.Slo. I would like to turn this around with a quick and dirty HG job and then try a swap in February if possible. I have my glazed eyeballs fixated on a 3.4, I would like to sort out a lot of small things first (electrical, ext). The exhaust crossover stuff is not that bad to me, I would like to plan out the details before the job begins.

I hate driving right now, just bummed a ride in my friend's 80 to buy groceries. The Jeep is freakin freezing and I don't want to pay 500$ for a top and doors (not even getting into the carb's issues). If an HG job gets me 5000 more miles that's plenty.:D:D:D:D
 
My threads suck without pics, so here you go.
Here is my work area. Besides dealing with snow, ice and falling icicles take note of the vomit to the left (no, it's not mine). I need to take the rest of the exhaust into my shower so it can thaw out. I think the cat is done.:D:D:D
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George, You are C-R-A-Z-Y!!!

Maybe we should bring a couple halogen work lights over to aim at your exhaust to help it thaw. Or maybe tow it to Matt's shop over night.
 
Oh, and about the puke. He lives in an apartment building that is probably 95% college students and this was graduation weekend.
 
It aint THAT bent....
 
At least you don't have to look out for the fan when you take a shower. It cuts toes, I can't wait to get the HG's so I can put this stuff together.
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