Victory4x4 rear bumper and swing outs long term review.

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Exactly. And if their build quality and components are so shoddy, it REALLY makes you wonder/doubt about any of their testing of it in general
Yup!

“testing?”

lmao bunch of guys drinking beer in a shed laughing - welding - that they can charge us $7,000 for two bumpers - while they laugh all the way to the bank

the instagram bumper world has exploded and all these guys getting in (good for them - capitalism)

I really need bumpers , as I scrape a lot - however I refuse to give my hard earned money for junk done by hillbilly idiots

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After installing many; and I mean many front and rear aftermarket steel and aluminum bumpers on all types of land cruisers, I can vouch for this statement. Only a small select few companies actually test their products in Offroad environments including the rocks. I don’t want to put down big brands as some of them take valuable feedback from the community and redesign their bumpers to make them better, but it’s obvious that some just make it heavy and pretty to then ship units…

Companies like Delta and Slee actually product test in some rather nasty scenarios to beta test bumpers before the public gets them because these products save lives and people actually use them. Hell even what most people hate on (ARB and Ironman) even test their bumpers off grid and for crash compliance. I know the Aussie bumpers tend to not hold up as well to hard abuse but you have to consider that these brands ship worldwide so weight is a big factor which means the product needs to be lighter for weight savings while also meeting Australian engineering requirements. This makes companies save as much weight while also being able to handle a rated pull. GVWR restrictions is why they are lighter than most American versions.

Hot take but I’ve personally seen Dissent bumpers on 200 series not fair well off road and twist due to the modular design. I know Ben addressed this with an updated design, but it still makes you question the robustness as well as the customers being potentially left out to dry that suffered body damage from said design flaw. I’m not here to dog on good brands, but feedback and customer support is what keeps a company in business long term in our industry. Anyone can make a bumper that looks pretty and give it to some instagram celebs to say how amazing it is.
Excellent post

Thank you!
 
I have had design issues with my victory skid plates. The overall build quality is good but the design feels like it was rushed and not fully tested. I cannot he the Oil filter housing out of the access cut out without loosening the three front bolts to bring the front skid down a few inches. Seems like that is something that would be caught in product testing. I would have rather paid the extra 400bucks and gotten the Slee skids. Everything I have bought from Slee is just so well thought through and the fine details are not overlooked. The difference is repetitive product testing and development vs design and forcing things to market.
 
After installing many; and I mean many front and rear aftermarket steel and aluminum bumpers on all types of land cruisers, I can vouch for this statement. Only a small select few companies actually test their products in Offroad environments including the rocks. I don’t want to put down big brands as some of them take valuable feedback from the community and redesign their bumpers to make them better, but it’s obvious that some just make it heavy and pretty to then ship units…

Companies like Delta and Slee actually product test in some rather nasty scenarios to beta test bumpers before the public gets them because these products save lives and people actually use them. Hell even what most people hate on (ARB and Ironman) even test their bumpers off grid and for crash compliance. I know the Aussie bumpers tend to not hold up as well to hard abuse but you have to consider that these brands ship worldwide so weight is a big factor which means the product needs to be lighter for weight savings while also meeting Australian engineering requirements. This makes companies save as much weight while also being able to handle a rated pull. GVWR restrictions is why they are lighter than most American versions.

Hot take but I’ve personally seen Dissent bumpers on 200 series not fair well off road and twist due to the modular design. I know Ben addressed this with an updated design, but it still makes you question the robustness as well as the customers being potentially left out to dry that suffered body damage from said design flaw. I’m not here to dog on good brands, but feedback and customer support is what keeps a company in business long term in our industry. Anyone can make a bumper that looks pretty and give it to some instagram celebs to say how amazing it is.

To pile on, albeit with a smaller sample size than ZetheGSD, I've seen some Slee products from years ago put through their paces and looking like the best part of the vehicle (80 series bumper coming to mind). That has always stood out in my mind.

ARB - I'm a fan of the bumpers, and while not questioning people who have installed more of them, the handful of ARB front bumpers I have had (Toyotas) and worked on (Jeeps) have been heavy as #$%^. Now, the rear bumpers, skids, and sliders, which are often more like steps... the small number I have seen have been lighter weight and more geared towards ease of shipment and installation for the overlading crowd. And that's probably by design as mentioned above.

Beyond bumpers, if we are talking in general about well designed, properly tested, and well manufactured parts to go offroad, I feel like there is a pretty small number of companies fitting that bill accross platforms. When you have an out of production, niche vehicle like the LC200, I'm happy to have even a handful. I'm playing around a bit in the Bronco world, and have a few years and Wrangler builds sprinked in amongst the Toyotas, and even with both of those having a much larger number of potential customers modifying their rigs, the number of manufacturers designing, testing, and delivering really high quality products is pretty small in my humble opinion.

As an example in the Jeep world, there are several hundred people a year dropping $15-$20K on axles. I haven't owned or wrenched on all of them, but I've seen axles from a half dozen different 'manufacturers' break, come out of the crate with tubes that are not square, or have bracket welds so bad that I wouldn't want to to wheel the rig over a curb at the mall. If that relatively basic, and easy to see stuff if done poorly, that really makes me wonder if anything I can't see or easily check was done the right way. At the moment there is exactly one well known axle builder that does bolt in Jeep axles that I would use for a build. That's out of probably a half dozen of the more well known options. Now there are some other more specialized builders doing axles for trophy trucks and pre-runners, but for 'bolt in' axles for a platform like the JL/JT, I am blown away by the number of high priced, low quality products floating around.

Coming back to the OP, thank you for sharing a thoughtful and thorough review!
 
I'm actually in touch with their customers support and they agreed to send me new bearings, seals and spindles for free. They are also helping me troubleshoot some of the issues. So far the customer service has been pretty good so that's a silver lining for sure. I'll update my original post in a few days.
 
I'm actually in touch with their customers support and they agreed to send me new bearings, seals and spindles for free. They are also helping me troubleshoot some of the issues. So far the customer service has been pretty good so that's a silver lining for sure. I'll update my original post in a few days.

I can attest to the good customer service.
I was one of the first to order this bumper when it came out, but didn't install it for over two years. When I opened it, I realized that two small brackets were missing from the shipment. I contacted them and they sent them right away without question even after two years.

Besides the latch and the finish (I finished mine), I haven't had the problems that you have. Hopefully they get you straightened out.
 
Just wanted to share an update that I received a box of parts under warranty. In it, was a circular sanding bit that was the exact same size as the spindle sleeve. I used it to smooth out the protruding lip, put some anti seize on the new spindles that they sent me and they went in like a charm! I also got new seals and bearings which I installed, regreased everything and now the swing-outs open and close like day 1. They also sent me a pair of new latches and more importantly two newly revised latch catches.
These new catches are much tighter so the latch does not move against them at all. This eliminated the looseness and some of the noise I was hearing and I think they will not need to be re-adjusted in the future because they are not wearing down anymore.
I added a couple of cabinet door rubber stoppers on the fold down table and that's working great to reduce the noise and also cut out the sides of the bumper so they are not catching on the body anymore. All in all, it's all looking top notch and rattle free. I'm very happy with the fixes.
 
Just wanted to share an update that I received a box of parts under warranty. In it, was a circular sanding bit that was the exact same size as the spindle sleeve. I used it to smooth out the protruding lip, put some anti seize on the new spindles that they sent me and they went in like a charm! I also got new seals and bearings which I installed, regreased everything and now the swing-outs open and close like day 1. They also sent me a pair of new latches and more importantly two newly revised latch catches.
These new catches are much tighter so the latch does not move against them at all. This eliminated the looseness and some of the noise I was hearing and I think they will not need to be re-adjusted in the future because they are not wearing down anymore.
I added a couple of cabinet door rubber stoppers on the fold down table and that's working great to reduce the noise and also cut out the sides of the bumper so they are not catching on the body anymore. All in all, it's all looking top notch and rattle free. I'm very happy with the fixes.
Curious, I have this rear bumper and I have some similar gripes. Overall, I like it a lot, but since it's been installed I have had two main issues.
One being the latch for the rear tire swing out. It stays loose. I don't see an adjustment for it, and as it moves (albeit only a few cm) it has broken the bracket for the rear view camera due to the vibrations over time. When I latch it closed, I can still swing the tire in and out a small bit, the latch doesn't keep tight.

Other main issue is parking sensors, but I'll chalk that one up to the shop that installed it. Big mess with them.

Also, I'll second (third/fourth) their customer service. It has been top notch with me as well. I've not contacted them about the latch however. The bracket for the camera just broke a few months ago and I just slapped some zipties on it for now, but before I get back off road, it will need a proper fix.
 
Curious, I have this rear bumper and I have some similar gripes. Overall, I like it a lot, but since it's been installed I have had two main issues.
One being the latch for the rear tire swing out. It stays loose. I don't see an adjustment for it, and as it moves (albeit only a few cm) it has broken the bracket for the rear view camera due to the vibrations over time. When I latch it closed, I can still swing the tire in and out a small bit, the latch doesn't keep tight.

Other main issue is parking sensors, but I'll chalk that one up to the shop that installed it. Big mess with them.

Also, I'll second (third/fourth) their customer service. It has been top notch with me as well. I've not contacted them about the latch however. The bracket for the camera just broke a few months ago and I just slapped some zipties on it for now, but before I get back off road, it will need a proper fix.
They are still using the same latches. They are not the best but they are cheap and you can easily replace them. They have updated latch catches that are tighter and if you contact them you can replace yours with the new ones.
 

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