V8 Diesel Swap Feasibility?

[bloc]

Not in the 80 yet, but this is my dream swap. As the prices plummet for these BMW's, I might not sell the car but keep it for a powertrain swap and then scrap it.
Really quiet.
3.0 twin turbo 350HP/480TQ

Have you looked into how difficult it will be to separate the engine control module from the rest of the vehicle's systems? When I was looking into buying an E92 one thing that stood out was how much computer involvement is required for simple things like changing a window regulator. I'd assume this means that the ECU won't play nicely without some pretty advanced stuff happening.

 

[Dragos80]

Have you looked into how difficult it will be to separate the engine control module from the rest of the vehicle's systems? When I was looking into buying an E92 one thing that stood out was how much computer involvement is required for simple things like changing a window regulator. I'd assume this means that the ECU won't play nicely without some pretty advanced stuff happening.

There are at least two tuner I know of that can make things happen. The worse part of tuning a few years ago was to crack the ECU code. It's been done by a few around the world.
There is also a company in Poland doing BMW diesel swaps for Nissan Patrols, however those are all manual transmission. Currently working on automatics too. I am sure all the electronic nannies can be turned off.

 

[AcuWiz]

There are at least two tuner I know of that can make things happen. The worse part of tuning a few years ago was to crack the ECU code. It's been done by a few around the world.
There is also a company in Poland doing BMW diesel swaps for Nissan Patrols, however those are all manual transmission. Currently working on automatics too. I am sure all the electronic nannies can be turned off.

What manual transmission are they using? A BMW or something else?

 

[Dragos80]

What manual transmission are they using? A BMW or something else?

Patrol.

Check them out on youtube and Facebook. I can't remember their name. Just search Nissan patrol with BMW diesel engine.

 

[WrenchTech]

Late '80s Ford F250 w/Mercedes OM606 putting out a claimed 500hp. It looks like the main modifications are larger elements in the mechanical injector pump and an easily sourced, modestly priced, turbocharger, and of course some fair fabricating skills.

I am guessing that the Ford weighs a bit more than a Landcruiser too. So the outstanding performance in this video is all the more impressive.

 

[WrenchTech]

There are at least two tuner I know of that can make things happen. The worse part of tuning a few years ago was to crack the ECU code. It's been done by a few around the world...

...I am sure all the electronic nannies can be turned off.

It looks to me like ECU hackers are everywhere these days. So common in fact, that their fees are necessarily quite reasonable.

 

[serenity]

And as has been mentioned, direct injection is a quick path to problems like intake port and valve deposit problems.

Huh? How does a direct injection diesel cause these issues?

 

[McDowra]

Huh? How does a direct injection diesel cause these issues?

X2

 

[AussieHJCruza]

And as has been mentioned, direct injection is a quick path to problems like intake port and valve deposit problems.

 

[Dragos80]

I believe the problem lies in the EGR valve, not necessarily with the fuel delivery method. Deleting it should cure a lot of problems.

 

[bloc]

Huh? How does a direct injection diesel cause these issues?

I was talking about the Ford Ecoboost in that post, and others were referring to GM's DI gas v8s a couple posts above.

 

[Dragos80]

It sounds as loud as the original Ford engine.

 

[Dragos80]

I was talking about the Ford Ecoboost in that post, and others were referring to GM's DI gas v8s a couple posts above.

I agree with the DI engine statement. Full of problems in terms f getting dirty easily.

 

[bloc]

I was talking about the Ford Ecoboost in that post, and others were referring to GM's DI gas v8s a couple posts above.

But since it was brought up.. Yes modern diesels with their heavy EGR duty cycles can be bad about intake manifold clogging. I'm not sure whether DI or IDI is a factor.

My 99 Jetta TDI was horrible about this.. before I disabled the EGR I had to remove the whole intake manifold and clean all of the gunk out of it and the intake ports every 30-40k miles.

My 2010 TDI got the emissions stuff removed at around 25k on the chassis/engine. The HP EGR valve (there are two.. low pressure (filtered, cooled, injected before the turbo inlet) and high pressure (traditional)) was well on its way to being clogged.

 

[serenity]

I was talking about the Ford Ecoboost in that post, and others were referring to GM's DI gas v8s a couple posts above.

Ah, copy that. I somehow misread. Back to your scheduled programming then!

Fwiw there are heaps of v8 diesel swapped Landcruisers and patrols over here, one of my friends has a supercharged 6.3 in his GU patrol.

 

[serenity]

But since it was brought up.. Yes modern diesels with their heavy EGR duty cycles can be bad about intake manifold clogging. I'm not sure whether DI or IDI is a factor.

Yep, EGR is the most horrible thing ever done to diesels. Injection type isn't a factor, as the fuel is always injected into the combustion chamber downstream of the intake valve. The sludge is a mix of carbon from the exhaust and oil from the crank case breather. The best solution is to install an egr block and a catch can for the oil fumes. Even leaving the oil to breathe through will decrease turbo and intercooler efficiency.

 

[Pipewhiner]

I happen to have a 1987 mercedes 300d with the OM603. I believe it's time to part with the ol girl. It's a rare car, less than 9000 made and only 2500 or so imported to the US. I'd love to see it go to a fellow cruiser head for a swap

 

[WrenchTech]

Specialist Components, standalone aftermarket diesel engine management.

As of October 2011, the current list of engines already using Specialist Components Hurricane diesel engine management is:

Ford/PSA Tiger DV6 1.6L
Ford Puma 2.4L
Ford/PSA/JLR Lion V6 2.7L Single Turbo
Ford/PSA/JLR Lion V6 2.7L Twin Turbo
Ford/PSA/JLR Lion V6 3.0L Twin Turbo
Mercedes-Benz OM660 (SMART CDI) 0.9L
Mercedes-Benz OM642 V6 3.0L
Subaru EE20 Boxer Diesel
BMW M57 3.0L Twin Turbo (available shortly)​

Interesting, but as you can see, the list is dated October 2011. I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until aftermarket diesel engine management solutions are common.

 

[Dragos80]

There is this one too, but expensive.
Been around for a while.

Mercedes 3.0 v6 om642 Ecu Information | Diesel Ecu Packages | Simtek UK BodyLogic Control Systems, Diesel Engine Management, Epas, Indicator and Wiper Contro | Simtek UK

 

[WrenchTech]

Wrecking yard prices (long block, no accessories, no harness, no ECU):

2009 BMW M57 3.0L Twin Turbo $4000 - $6000
2005 Mercedes OM648 3.2 CDI $1800 - $2200
1999 Mercedes OM606 3.0 $1200 - $1800