None of those cost anywhere near $30K and a month to fixYou could always get a used GX 460. It's not like those SUVs have issues with leaking transfer cases, center valley leaks, or transmissions failing
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Source for the $30k figure? And has anyone actually paid that out of pocket? Even the first year of the Tundra with this engine is still well within the powertrain warranty.
28k-33k (depending on area) is how much the dealer is charging Toyota for the warranty repairs. Who knows how much it would cost out of warranty.
Hard to believe there would be many 22's or later that are beyond the 60k (Toyota) or 70k (Lexus) powertrain warranty.
With Toyota/Lexus, the value proposition is in the durability out to several hundred thousand miles so a catastrophic failure at 100k would be a big deal. At that point it's probably a $7-10k job (non-dealer), harvesting a donor out of a total. Though after that experience and an unknown maintenance record on the replacement I'd be selling.
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The GX 460s seem to be experiencing transfer case leaking, valley leaking, and transmission failures well before 200k. Go surf clublexus.com. Of course, there is no telling just how frequently these occur.
Crazy. However, it will most certainly be significantly cheaper out of warranty, due to the free market economy we enjoy. At that point the customer has options beyond the dealership, and can seek out other shops to do the work.
But you're still paying the Toyota premium for a vehicle that has not demonstrated Toyota reliability. In which case, it's a bad deal. And I don't ever see the repair ever being $7k since it requires a complete short block (which is probably a part $10k itself) and extensive labor. If this happens at 150k, the engine would likely also warrant new turbos and other wear items, adding thousands in additional parts and labor. Main bearing failure can send lots of metal through an engine.
None of those cost anywhere near $30K and a month to fix
GX460 transmission failures occurring -- out of warranty -- are well documented at this point. Last I saw the transmissions were on backorder from Lexus. I am not sure if this is still the case. There are also reports of failures within the warranty period as well.
While not $30k, out of warranty repair costs usually range around $7k - $8k from the dealer. Ouch.
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Yup, I've seen that on clublexus. Weird. Is that the same transmission as in the 200? Or a different one? It's not like the 4.6l is a torque monster, either.
The A760F issue can be easily rectified with a $60 external cooler and a fluid change. It's the same trans used in the 200 and Tundra. Toyota just decided to delete the cooler and claim a "lifetime" fill for their WS fluid. Fluid gets cooked, never changed, and the trans fails.
Perhaps the VA35F issue can be cheaply amd easily rectified by the aftermarket like the GX460 trans issue. Perhaps not.
Fyi....this was my yesterday. TCC solenoid and harness replacement.
Perhaps the VA35F issue can be cheaply amd easily rectified by the aftermarket like the GX460 trans issue. Perhaps not.
Fyi....this was my yesterday
. TCC solenoid and harness replacement.
Even Toyota turbos are life-limited parts, I would plan on this with either the 250 or 550. 150k is a long time for a turbo. No way to really get around it, it's just the world we live in with emissions and CAFE. Or the consumer could go slow with 150hp NA.
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I saw a video where the chief engineer claimed the Taco turbo was designed to last the life of the truck. Time will tell whether that is true or not.
Our 247 HP N/A 2.5/hybrid Highlander fits just fine in that mold. It has all of 13 less HP than my 470 had new. The engine is around 175 HP, the hybrid kicks in the other ~72 HP. People like to think the battery will discharge giving you 175 HP, but ours was able to charge going up Eisenhower. When you go to pass a car on a 2-lane road, you can feel the electric motors kick in and it has good passing power (albeit it's not fast). The cavernous engine bay looks very easy to work on as well. Just like any other I-4 produced over the past 25 years. So, Toyota certainly has simpler technology they could utilize.
Perhaps part of the problem is the amount of power/torque we are being given. These rigs do not need 479 ft-lbs of torque, although I'm sure it's awesome to tow with.
The A760F issue can be easily rectified with a $60 external cooler and a fluid change. It's the same trans used in the 200 and Tundra. Toyota just decided to delete the cooler and claim a "lifetime" fill for their WS fluid. Fluid gets cooked, never changed, and the trans fails.
Perhaps the VA35F issue can be cheaply amd easily rectified by the aftermarket like the GX460 trans issue. Perhaps not.
Fyi....this was my yesterday
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Easily rectified? Sure, if you can get to it in time.
But, the reality is, most soccer mom, dealer maintained GX460's probably aren't getting an aftermarket cooler, or even regular trans fluid changes. (Plenty of stories of Toyota / Lexus dealers who outright refuse to flush / change trans fluid).
This, along with numerous documented reports of trans failures, actual trans part backorders from Lexus, IMO, makes getting into a GX460 quite the gamble on the used market from a reliability perspective - especially by Toyota standards. Not to mention frequency of transfer cases leaking ($3k+ quotes) and valley plate leaks as brought up previously. Again, occurring out of warranty.
The same way that Toyota's WS transmission fluid is designed to last the life of the transmission
Sounds like gas lighting for a petrol engine. I would love to see that video, can you post a link? He could not have said that with a straight face, unless he was inferring 100K miles for the trucks lifetime. Not even TD engines boast lifetime turbos.
As mentioned here before… let’s say (for sake of argument) my V35A developed the dreaded spun bearing symptom and had to be replaced.
Apparently this “fix” is a replacement short block that basically requires the whole front of the car to be disassembled — then put back together.
It’s one thing to cough up $30K for a new engine, but this new engine will not have been assembled by Toyota - WHO IS GOING TO DO THESE REPAIRS? The dealership?
I shudder at the thought.
Apparently this “fix” is a replacement short block that basically requires the whole front of the car to be disassembled — then put back together.
It’s one thing to cough up $30K for a new engine, but this new engine will not have been assembled by Toyota - WHO IS GOING TO DO THESE REPAIRS? The dealership?
I shudder at the thought.
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Sorry, I don’t remember which video it was. Maybe the savagegeese video of the Taco reveal on Hawaii?
No, I believe he was implying a far longer life than 100k. IIRC, he was saying that the key to turbo life is cooling and that they have a very sophisticated cooling system for the turbo on the iForce turbo 4.
Now this was at a marketing event so maybe this was all BS. Time will tell.
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I had the frame replaced on my ‘03 4Runner. That was done at the dealership. Not as involved a repair as tearing down and building back up an engine. But still a substantial repair — remove the body from the frame, move the drivetrain and suspension to the new frame, replace the body on the frame, etc. As near as I could tell, the dealership did a fine job.
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I misremembered, it was a Motoman video. He doesn’t actually give an expected lifetime for the turbo.
All three of those items are easily identified in a PPI, including the quality of the trans fluid. Known issues with known causes and known solutions.
