V35A-FTS bearing issue? (2 Viewers)

[Njck22]

Unrelated, but there's an interesting dissonance between Japanese culture and the idea of recalls and admitting that something is wrong. Good books written on the topic,

A contributing factor to the ***ushima meltdown was the workplace norms that prevented employees from speaking up about issues and risky decisions because doing so can be construed as of as disagreeing and bringing shame to their superiors.

 

[OGBeno]

Unrelated, but there's an interesting dissonance between Japanese culture and the idea of recalls and admitting that something is wrong. Good books written on the topic,

Absolutely relevant. Toyota USA is **not** TMC in Nippon. Not even close.

Post titles. I'm super interested in the topic.

 

[Njck22]

Absolutely relevant. Toyota USA is **not** TMC in Nippon. Not even close.

Post titles. I'm super interested in the topic.

The anatomy of Dependence is classic and more of a psychological analysis, or a "why" of "amae". Another good topic is honne versus tatemae I cannot say that I have read the whole book, but have used excerpts for class papers. "Meltdown" about the ***ushima disaster. "Toyota Under Fire", "Unintended acceleration : Toyota's recall crisis". Lots of articles and anecdotes about the impacts of this culture. or ask anyone in heavy industry who services Japanese equipment.

I worked in product design of orthopedic implants for the US office of Japanese company. Constant cultural clash particularly in regards to addressing surgeon requests for instrument improvements. The US offices wants to respond right away, change engineering drawing for the next production run and hand deliver improved products to our surgeons. The Japanese leadership felt this was a waste of time.

MITSUBISHI ADMITS TO BROAD COVER-UP OF AUTO DEFECTS (Published 2000)

Mitsubishi Motors admits to systematically concealing customer complaints about tens of thousands of defective automobiles since 1977; president Katsuhiko Kawasoe apologizes, month after denying accusations of covering up problems such as faulty fuel tanks, clutches, crankshafts and brakes...

www.nytimes.com

 

[rexington14]

If I had a new vehicle with this engine I'd have the oil replaced at 100, 500, again at 1000, and then 2500, and then 5000. With each sample getting sent off for analysis to guide the intervals.

I'd save all the used oil filters, too.

Not me. I'd rather take my chances with the engine blowing up than have to travel to my dealership's service dept. 5 times within 5000 miles, each time dealing with drop off, wait / pick up, shenanigans. Not to mention costs incurred for each oil change & oil analysis.

 

[ikarus]

Anyone have any speculation / wild-ass-guess on what the 'fix' may be?

ok guys I talked to Kōji and he said the fix is simple, they're gonna do a supercharged 3UR swap for all trucks free of charge and everyone gets a free Hilux Champ to use while their truck is in the shop

haha jk jk but seriously like mentioned earlier I wouldn't be surprised if it's an oil analysis program and free oil changes. Then if the report comes back positive for shavings or wear, you get an updated shortblock. That's my guess.

One owner over on the Tundra forum actually went and changed his oil early (3rd time before 10K miles) after hearing about the recall and sure enough, found some glitter.

Post 153 here if you want to read up:

OFFICIAL: Safety Recall 24TA07 (Interim Notice 24TB07) 22-23 Tundra Engine May Stall During Driving

Took my truck in twice for this and was told it was my aux beans can’t wait to rub it in their faces. Not showing up on my app tho

www.tundras.com

 

[TheLCProject]

Not me. I'd rather take my chances with the engine blowing up than have to travel to my dealership's service dept. 5 times within 5000 miles, each time dealing with drop off, wait / pick up, shenanigans. Not to mention costs incurred for each oil change & oil analysis.

But if you had the data from the oil changes, especially early on, you could get it warrantied before it left you on the side of the road.

And don't you get "free" oil changes through the warranty period anyway?

Edit: Remind me to not have you manage a fleet of vehicles.

 

[OSS]

But we don’t know the nature of the failure. We now know that the front crank bearing gets FUBAR, which causes the engine to eventually seize, but we don’t know if it’s a relentless grinding down of the bearing surface or a sudden catastrophic oil loss due to a large swarf chunk suddenly getting dislodged and blocking an oil passage — ruining the engine in minutes (when on the highway).
I wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket relying on oil analysis to identify a growing problem. For all we know, everything is fine and then suddenly all hell breaks loose. Too late.

 

[TheLCProject]

A simple oil analysis regime would rule out one of those scenarios instead of leaving it all to guesswork.

 

[rexington14]

But if you had the data from the oil changes, especially early on, you could get it warrantied before it left you on the side of the road.

And don't you get "free" oil changes through the warranty period anyway?

Edit: Remind me to not have you manage a fleet of vehicles.


Edit:

ToyotaCare includes free maintenance for 2 yrs / 25k miles. On today's vehicles with 1yr / 10k change intervals that's 2 free oil changes.

A simple oil analysis regime would rule out one of those scenarios instead of leaving it all to guesswork.

Going to get your oil changed 5 times within the first 5k miles at the intervals you've proposed, isn't simple. Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[TheLCProject]

But you've got time for Toyota to have your truck torn apart for a couple weeks?

Have you tried to take your vehicle in more frequently than suggested? Honda doesn't charge me for the extra visits. All you can eat!


I couldn't imagine waiting a full 10k with that first, nasty oil in there. If you're that dumb you get an early engine failure.

And don't feed me some BS about modern engines not needing it done. Until you do the analysis yourself on a new engine, don't even bother sharing your wrong opinion.

 

[rexington14]

If I happen to be one of the lucky ones who's engine blows, then sure, I'll take a loaner for a couple weeks.

I'm not in a Toyota under ToyotaCare right now. But based on my prior experiences with their service advisors I can only imagine they would laugh in my face if I asked for that many free oil changes

 

[M1911]

Going to get your oil changed 5 times within the first 5k miles at the intervals you've proposed, isn't simple. Ain't nobody got time for that.

What’s complicated about taking your SUV in for an oil change?

 

[VisuallyOriented]

Anyone have any speculation / wild-ass-guess on what the 'fix' may be?

It is highly likely that the engine warranty will be extended for vehicles potentially effected.

It's also likely that there will be class-action lawsuits related to this issue and it will drag on for many years.

 

[Rednexus]

FYI, we take our Toyota in to the dealer for free service at the 10k interval. I DIY my own oil change and tire rotation at the 5k interval, between the free dealer services, on my own dime. It takes significantly less time for me to do the service than to drive to the dealer and back. And there is no way I'm running 10k OCIs in any vehicle.

 

[rexington14]

What’s complicated about taking your SUV in for an oil change?

"An" oil change (singular)? Not much.

But the topic of conversation, and more importantly, the specific comment you are replying to, clearly specifies taking it in 5 (five, cinco) times, all within the first 5k miles.

And my reasons why are already included in my first post on this topic

 

[rexington14]

FYI, we take our Toyota in to the dealer for free service at the 10k interval. I DIY my own oil change and tire rotation at the 5k interval, between the free dealer services, on my own dime. It takes significantly less time for me to do the service than to drive to the dealer and back. And there is no way I'm running 10k OCIs in any vehicle.

Yup, completely reasonable.

 

[Phillyd2]

Seems to me that oil analysis, free oil changes and even an extended engine warranty wouldn’t be enough to address the safety implications of the recall.

 

[M1911]

"An" oil change (singular)? Not much.

But the topic of conversation, and more importantly, the specific comment you are replying to, clearly specifies taking it in 5 (five, cinco) times, all within the first 5k miles.

And my reasons why are already included in my first post on this topic

I’m sorry, but I disagree. Would it be a pain in the neck to get the oil changed every 1,000 miles for the first thousand miles? Sure. But there is nothing complicated about it.

 

[TheLCProject]

I don't see any obvious correlation to the documented failures and reduced OCIs or even a post break-in oil change.

Maybe it's there but I'm not a math guru but it's not obvious. It appears that what the oil analysis would do is just tell you you're screwed. Once at 500 miles then at intervals you like. But send the oil in, or at least retain samples to facilitate a warranty/recall repair.

 

[rexington14]

I’m sorry, but I disagree. Would it be a pain in the neck to get the oil changed every 1,000 miles for the first thousand miles? Sure. But there is nothing complicated about it.

No reason to be sorry. And I'm not really sure what we're debating here anymore. I'm just saying that finding the time to do this is not simple for many people (myself included)

Anyways, if you don’t mind spending (wasting) your time and money doing this 5 separate times within the first 5k miles, each time costing yourself $100+ for both the oil change and the oil analysis - because you’ve convinced yourself this is the way your V35A won’t grenade, then go ahead! I’m sure the dealership will appreciate it.