Using Lead Filler

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Hugh Heifer

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Anybody do it?

I was looking at this kit from TP Tools (A very kewl supplier BTW)

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http://www.tptools.com/p/464,201_17-Pc-Auto-Body-LeadandSolder-Kit.html

I am familiar with the process and have had this done to other cars I have worked on but never tried it.

The only "torch" I have in the house is propane. Will that offer enough heat or would a cheap mapp set up work?

if I need to get a whole O2 Acetylene set up I will go back to an old standby.

Thoughts?
 
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I was also thinking about lead as a filler, however i do so little body work that when i do i end up putting filler on and then take to much off, this cycle repeats untill i get the feel back.
Eventually i get it right but it is a long and painfull proscess, using lead would drag that out even longer, of that i'm sure. Having said that i'm still thinking.
 

Getting the Lead On
Applying metal body fillers
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by Harold Pace
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Customizing with lead body filler was so popular in the 1950s that it gave us a new term, Lead Sled, to describe a radically customized sedan slathered and smoothed with the soft, pliable metal. Today the advent of high-quality, easily applied plastic (polyester) fillers has reduced the number of experienced lead workers to a minimum, but lead still has benefits other fillers do not. In fact, "lead" doesn't even have to be lead any more!

What It Is
Lead was the first popular body filler, used by auto factories and repair shops alike. It was melted into gaps and along seams, but if improperly applied it would crack and fall out just like the cheap plastic fillers of the 1960s. However, a good lead man was much in demand by premium body shops and customizers.
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The technical term for "lead" is "body solder." For auto bodywork, it is actually a mix of lead and tin, usually a 30-percent tin/70-percent lead alloy. This is different from solder used for electronic repairs, and the two are not interchangeable. Although handling lead-based body solder is not harmful, breathing lead dust is dangerous, so hand filing (instead of power grinding) and the use of a respirator is recommended. Even better, a number of companies are now selling body solders that substitute copper and zinc for lead (still combined with tin) to form safer filler materials.
But why use lead at all? There are some instances where metal body fillers are better than plastic. Joints that are subject to stress and warping are more likely to crack plastic than metal (although lead is not a cure-all for improper engineering or assembly). And plastic easily cracks away from the thin edges of fenders or doors. Lead is also considered more appropriate for high-end repairs and restoration on collector cars.

How It's Done
Working with lead is simple, but like all crafts it requires continual practice to do it well. The basic materials can be bought in kit form or purchased separately. First, the metal area where the lead will be applied must be cleaned of all paint, corrosion, dirt and grease. A sanding disc or wire brush is used to work the metal until it is clean and bright.
Next the area must be "tinned" to provide maximum adhesion for the lead. There are various tinning compounds, but most are in paste form. The area is heated using a torch (propane or acetylene) set for a soft, cool flame (a blue flame with no yellow is best). The tinning compound is then applied with an acid brush. The compound is heated until it melts and "tins" an area slightly larger than the repair area (to allow smoothing-in later).
Now it's time to apply the lead. The torch is played over the surface to keep it warm while the lead, which is in round or square stick form, is touched to the area and the end heated as well. The solder will stick to the surface, and the stick is twisted to break it off. Lead is applied until there is enough to fill the work area. Experienced bodymen know not to overheat the panel, which can cause warping, so they stop and allow everything to cool from time to time. They use just enough heat to do the job, and work slowly.
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Once the lead is on the panel, it is kept just warm enough to maintain a semi-solid (plastic-like) state. Now it's time for a new tool, a wooden paddle to shape the lead (a combination of flat and round paddles allow for easier shaping). The paddles are dipped in tallow or beeswax to keep the lead from sticking to them. While the lead is soft, it is shaped and smoothed as close as possible to the final shape. Excess lead can be removed and reused if kept clean. Taking time to get the lead smooth will save finishing time later. The area is allowed to cool naturally (do not quench with water), and residue is removed with a scrub brush and water.
Now it's time to finish out the repair. Vixen files are best for hand work (and ideal for beginners), but if you are using lead-free body solder and have lots of experience you can use a grinding wheel. Although professionals sometimes brag about not using any plastic filler, most of the time a small amount is needed to fill tiny pinholes and imperfections.
If done properly, leaded repairs or customizing should last longer than those done with plastic fillers. However, if the surface is not cleaned properly it is possible for contaminants to get trapped in the lead and attack your paint job down the road. The importance of cleanliness cannot be overstressed. As with all such projects, practice on an old body panel before you turn the torch on your pride and joy!


Cool!
 
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I used it a few years ago when I put quarter panels on my Nova. I used it on the sail panels where the quarter meets the roof and the on the back where it meets the rear end panel.

I used a propane torch when I did it and it worked fine. The video in the Eastwood kit is very good. The process itself is not hard to get the hang of and it is really pretty cool to do. If you screw up, it's pretty easy to start over. You just melt off the bad stuff.
 
The other advantage of body-solder:
If you keep the heat 'just enugh', you can do some forming & shaping.
...can re-heat same area, apply more, shape/scrape....
The polyester fillers are great, but set up too quick ....or I, still learning, mix a tad 'hot'.
 
Great stuff but the fillings are toxic and especially so for kids.

If you work with lead, wear gloves and do not sand with power tools as that spreads the dust around everywhere.

Sweep up well.

Or, better yet try the new lead free stuff from Eastwood and report back to us on how well it works.

Lead is better for a seam and is used by car makers where two panels come together. Also better in that the process to apply it removes any moisture and it properly done the repair is very long lasting.

I find it best to get all of what you need on there and then shape it down from there, at least for me it's harder to put a little more on if you have a low spot as the whole mess starts to come off.

You used to be able to buy these really neat blow torches that you stuck a lead bar into and then it sprayed molten lead onto a surface so that you could build it up. I think they are no longer made though. A friend of mine has one that he won't let leave his sight...


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Just an update on this. I found I had a bit of part lead metal repair solder inmy tool box so I gave it a shot on my bezel where I had a few holes that I had been able to partially fill with a mig welder. I used some regular old plumbing flux and ith a bit of effort (and no wax) I was able to fill the holes and shape the grooves. I then had the bezel powder coated and the solder did fine. Baked for about 15minutes at 425 F. I do not know the melting point of the solder but it did fine.

There is a pic of the bezel in my build thread in my sig line. I may invest in the kit. Would be handy to fill around welds after fixing body panels.
 

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